Cowboys sign Dez Bryant to 5 year deal

[Jiggyfly]

I believe I as clear about the risk being a financial one.

And yet you never acknowledge the reward that's possible as well.

This is not a zero sum move on his part.

The Cowboys stand to lose money as well in merchandise and playoff money.

 

[data]

Yeah it's really that simple.

Regardless if it's $12M or $20M, the NFL's laughing. Being a Top 20 player in the league, Dez could probably get $20M in MLB & NBA.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Signing the one-year franchise tender is a bigger risk. Get $12m and then Michael Irvin/Joey Galloway injury happens or just a bad season. No more paydays.

What Dez Bryant is aiming for is like what happened with MB III and Miles Austin -- hell, we may still be paying for those two contracts.

He doesn't have a choice as long as the franchise tag is in place. That's the bugaboo forhim in getting long term leverage now.

 

[L.T. Fan]

And yet you never acknowledge the reward that's possible as well.

This is not a zero sum move on his part.

The Cowboys stand to lose money as well in merchandise and playoff money.

That's a nebulas argument. The organization has made money in the worst years.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Regardless if it's $12M or $20M, the NFL's laughing. Being a Top 20 player in the league, Dez could probably get $20M in MLB & NBA.

Yeah that's a whole other topic.

 

[peplaw06]

I think I indicated how because the financial loss is all on him.

It's not all on him... Even in the unlikely event he carries this holdout over to missing regular season games, if the Cowboys win fewer games when he's out, then the chances for making the playoffs go down and so do the revenues.

 

[peplaw06]

You are taking the approach that he will get paid if he doesn't play? What my premise is that he looses if he doesn't play.

He gets paid next season if he works a deal where he signs the tender but the Cowboys can't tag him next year. That's likely what he'll angle for by a holdout, and if he gets it, then yes, he plays on the one year tender, but he cashes out next offseason, rather than 2 years down the road. That's a win considering what he is looking at right now.

Why are you ignoring what the team loses without him?

 

[Jiggyfly]

That's a nebulas argument. The organization has made money in the worst years.

And if Dez misses some games he will still make money this year, not as much which is the same as the Cowboys not making as much.

Nobody said the Cowboys would be in the red, so your point is moot.

 

[data]

He doesn't have a choice as long as the franchise tag is in place. That's the bugaboo forhim in getting long term leverage now.

Dez does have a choice. Sit out.

...and if the Cowboys start 0-2...

 

[Jiggyfly]

He gets paid next season if he works a deal where he signs the tender but the Cowboys can't tag him next year. That's likely what he'll angle for by a holdout, and if he gets it, then yes, he plays on the one year tender, but he cashes out next offseason, rather than 2 years down the road. That's a win considering what he is looking at right now.

I don't know why people act like he has no end game.

 

[L.T. Fan]

It's not all on him... Even in the unlikely event he carries this holdout over to missing regular season games, if the Cowboys win fewer games when he's out, then the chances for making the playoffs go down and so do the revenues.

I will repeat . The organization may make less money but they will still make it. Bryant cannot stand the loss as much as they can.

 

[L.T. Fan]

He gets paid next season if he works a deal where he signs the tender but the Cowboys can't tag him next year. That's likely what he'll angle for by a holdout, and if he gets it, then yes, he plays on the one year tender, but he cashes out next offseason, rather than 2 years down the road. That's a win considering what he is looking at right now.

Why are you ignoring what the team loses without him?

Maybe if he doesn't get racked up in the meantime.

 

[peplaw06]

I will repeat . The organization may make less money but they will still make it. Bryant cannot stand the loss as much as they can.

And Dez will still make money.

You specifically said he's only hurting himself and the financial loss is all on him... Ignoring how he's hurting the Cowboys.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Dez does have a choice. Sit out.

...and if the Cowboys start 0-2...

Yes. That is what is being discussed. He has already threatened to do that but it will cost him more percentage wise than what it will the organization.

 

[peplaw06]

Maybe if he doesn't get racked up in the meantime.

How can you argue that he's only hurting himself if he holds out and misses games, then acknowledge the very real risk that he suffers a serious injury in the next post? You understand that if he holds out, he removes the risk of injury in the practices/games he misses right?

 

[L.T. Fan]

And Dez will still make money.

You specifically said he's only hurting himself and the financial loss is all on him... Ignoring how he's hurting the Cowboys.

He is only hurting himself because he can't afford the losses but the organization can. They will still get revenues from various sources and he will get zilch.

 

[L.T. Fan]

How can you argue that he's only hurting himself if he holds out and misses games, then acknowledge the very real risk that he suffers a serious injury in the next post? You understand that if he holds out, he removes the risk of injury in the practices/games he misses right?

Down the road for a long term deal somewhere.

 

[peplaw06]

Dez does have a choice. Sit out.

...and if the Cowboys start 0-2...

The problem with all of this is though, that even if he sits out games and the Cowboys go 0-2, he still can't get a long term deal. He can only come back and play under the tender for all of 2015 if they don't reach a deal by tomorrow. He can't leverage a long-term deal after tomorrow, but he still has leverage.

 

[peplaw06]

Down the road for a long term deal somewhere.

He also risks hurting himself by playing, which would result in a reduced long term deal somewhere.

In fact, I'd argue that the injury risk is a much more significant risk to his long term prospects than the idea that some team won't pay him more than any other WR just because he held out.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Yes. That is what is being discussed. He has already threatened to do that but it will cost him more percentage wise than what it will the organization.

Now it's percentages.

And you really have no idea if it's true, how much money does Dallas lose going 8-8 as opposed to the conference championship game?