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[L.T. Fan]

What do you mean getting into him? I don't know that chewing out a 30 something adult really accomplishes much. I'd disagree if you think Romo needed to be laid into to get anything out of him.

Actually Wilson is somewhat invisible with the Cowboys organization. Romo has always been there for his current tenure as QB coach and for the life of me I can't figure out how folks can really criticize him. I brought this up a while back because in some minds he is bad even though there isn't anything anyone can point to for that position. He may be good or he may be bad but no one has pointed to anything specific to support their claims.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Actually Wilson is somewhat invisible with the Cowboys organization. Romo has always been there for his current tenure as QB coach and for the life of me I can't figure out how folks can really criticize him. I brought this up a while back because in some minds he is bad even though there isn't anything anyone can point to for that position. He may be good or he may be bad but no one has pointed to anything specific to support their claims.

I've pointed to a lot of specific problems, you're just ignoring them. Like Romo not being coached to play better situational football from 2011-2013. Also other people have brought up the fact that we haven't been able to develop anyone to the point they could take over the backup role.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I've pointed to a lot of specific problems, you're just ignoring them. Like Romo not being coached to play better situational football from 2011-2013. Also other people have brought up the fact that we haven't been able to develop anyone to the point they could take over the backup role.

So if someone would have told Romo to not screw up in the clutch he wouldn't have? How does one coach those things out of a player? Do you not think Romo didn't want to implode? That's more on play calling then a QB coach.

 

[Jiggyfly]

I've pointed to a lot of specific problems, you're just ignoring them. Like Romo not being coached to play better situational football from 2011-2013. Also other people have brought up the fact that we haven't been able to develop anyone to the point they could take over the backup role.

If the head coach is not the one establishing better situational football playing, the QB coach can't do anything to help that.

I have no real thoughts on Wilson because nobody really knows what is asked of him, but it is funny that Romo has improved dramatically in TO's over the last 3 years yet Wilson gets no stroke for that.

With Garrett giving Romo the unequivocal green light there is not much a QB coach can do.

 

[townsend]

I do like that Romo isn't doing that point at Dez bullshit every time he effs up anymore. That being said, the starkest development in 2009 when he seriously reigned in his turnovers to an all time low. Whether or not that's Wade Wilson inspired or Romo growing up is a good question that no one has an answer for.

It's no coincidence that Romo's worst recent season happened when he passed 650 times, and his best was when he threw 430 passes. He hasn't been melting down because he hasn't been forced to pass 45 times per game. Almost any QB not named Aaron Rodgers has occasional meltdowns under the same work load.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I've pointed to a lot of specific problems, you're just ignoring them. Like Romo not being coached to play better situational football from 2011-2013. Also other people have brought up the fact that we haven't been able to develop anyone to the point they could take over the backup role.

There has been no one to develop except McGee. All others have been pros that were picked up for backups. Better situational football? What does that mean?

 

[boozeman]

Actually Wilson is somewhat invisible with the Cowboys organization. Romo has always been there for his current tenure as QB coach and for the life of me I can't figure out how folks can really criticize him. I brought this up a while back because in some minds he is bad even though there isn't anything anyone can point to for that position. He may be good or he may be bad but no one has pointed to anything specific to support their claims.

Wilson was the QB coach during the Campo reign. So, yeah, there are specific failures like Carter and Hutchinson that can be pointed to.

You can also look at his stints in Oakland and Chicago. He has an awful track record for QBs, developing, well, nobody.

I am pretty hard pressed to look around the league and see a QB coach who has a more mediocre track record. The guy has literally done zero.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Wilson was the QB coach during the Campo reign. So, yeah, there are specific failures like Carter and Hutchinson that can be pointed to.

You can also look at his stints in Oakland and Chicago. He has an awful track record for QBs, developing, well, nobody.

I am pretty hard pressed to look around the league and see a QB coach who has a more mediocre track record. The guy has literally done zero.

So you think Carter and Hutchinsen were legitimate development materiel? Tht doesn't seem like a good example to me. I don't know who he had under his tutelage elsewhere.

 

[Deuce]

So you think Carter and Hutchinsen were legitimate development materiel? Tht doesn't seem like a good example to me. I don't know who he had under his tutelage elsewhere.

They absolutely were, as was Henson. The only reason we even got Romo right is because of Payton.

 

[L.T. Fan]

They absolutely were, as was Henson. The only reason we even got Romo right is because of Payton.

Carter was a doper and Hutchinsen went to baseball initially. Not the best crop around.

 

[townsend]

Carter was a doper and Hutchinsen went to baseball initially. Not the best crop around.

Carter wasn't great, but he improved significantly after Parcells and Sean Payton showed up. In the 4 years Wade was gone the Cowboys did a lot more with scraps. Getting a mediocre season out of a spent Testaverde, and a pretty darn good season out of a mostly spent Bledsoe, as well as developing our future all time passer. Compare that to the all time low of a performance we got from Aikman, Cunningham, Wright, Carter, Leaf, Stoerner, and Hutchinson. Not to mention the dog shit performances of QBs in Chicago, the best of which was Orton, but he didn't really hit his stride until he and WW parted ways.

 

[townsend]

Reading Wilson's bio on DallasCowboys.com so many entries read like backhanded insults "Wilson was forced to prepare four different starting quarterbacks during the 2001 season. It was the first time in club history four different players started at quarterback in the same season."

 

[L.T. Fan]

Carter wasn't great, but he improved significantly after Parcells and Sean Payton showed up. In the 4 years Wade was gone the Cowboys did a lot more with scraps. Getting a mediocre season out of a spent Testaverde, and a pretty darn good season out of a mostly spent Bledsoe, as well as developing our future all time passer. Compare that to the all time low of a performance we got from Aikman, Cunningham, Wright, Carter, Leaf, Stoerner, and Hutchinson. Not to mention the dog shit performances of QBs in Chicago, the best of which was Orton, but he didn't really hit his stride until he and WW parted ways.

The guys you are referencing are not development QBs. They are already established and were a known quantity. If you look at the Dallas history from the time Jones took over, the QB (Aikman) was already earmarked. After him the history has essentially been to go after existing QBs in the legue who had already reached their peak and lost their starting position. There were few young prospects of substance who were brought in regardless of who the QB coach was. It is a position with Dallas that has had little involvement toward the team goals. It was a windfall that Romo has developed because he had to walk on to get a chance to show his wares. He certainly wasn't a prospect that the organiztion went after. The best QB coach wouldnt have been recognized for development because there has been precious little brought on board as a whole. I don't know if Wilson is a good or bad coach but his tenure at Dallas isn't something to point to for a point to be made either way. He or anyone else in that position in Dallas would have been the forgotten or invisible man.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Carter wasn't great, but he improved significantly after Parcells and Sean Payton showed up. In the 4 years Wade was gone the Cowboys did a lot more with scraps. Getting a mediocre season out of a spent Testaverde, and a pretty darn good season out of a mostly spent Bledsoe, as well as developing our future all time passer. Compare that to the all time low of a performance we got from Aikman, Cunningham, Wright, Carter, Leaf, Stoerner, and Hutchinson. Not to mention the dog shit performances of QBs in Chicago, the best of which was Orton, but he didn't really hit his stride until he and WW parted ways.

Orton did fine with other clubs he was on. He wasn't any better or worse in Dallas because he didn't play much here.

 

[boozeman]

Orton did fine with other clubs he was on. He wasn't any better or worse in Dallas because he didn't play much here.

You are reaching here, LT.

The simple fact of the matter is Wilson keeps his job because of nepotism and the good ol' boys network (and I am sure he is Jerry's supplier of dick pills).

I am too lazy to take a look, but I feel pretty confident that I could look at the 31 other QB coaches in the league and be hard pressed to find another with a track record of nothing that matches Wilson's.

He might be the most senior in the league as a matter of fact. And to me, that's criminal.

 

[L.T. Fan]

You are reaching here, LT.

The simple fact of the matter is Wilson keeps his job because of nepotism and the good ol' boys network (and I am sure he is Jerry's supplier of dick pills).

I am too lazy to take a look, but I feel pretty confident that I could look at the 31 other QB coaches in the league and be hard pressed to find another with a track record of nothing that matches Wilson's.

He might be the most senior in the league as a matter of fact. And to me, that's criminal.

I don't know what kind of coach he is. His tenure in Dallas hasn't been as a coach that was utilized to develop QBs. He ha been in his role primarily as a position coach because development of young QBs hasn't been a priority with this organization since Jones took over. I'm saying that it isn't realistic to say he hasn't developed anyone here because there just hasn't been legitimate program to develop QBs in Dallas. One cannot say he has been a bad influence on Romo because he has steadly improved. I don't know who is responsible for that but it's not evidence of bad coaching. It's possible that Wilson has no effect on Romo but conversely there isnt any criteria to show he is bad.

 

[townsend]

Orton did fine with other clubs he was on. He wasn't any better or worse in Dallas because he didn't play much here.

I was speaking of Wilson's tenure in Chicago. Orton did okay here. But he showed marked improvements after Wade left for Dallas. Compare that to Romo's performance after WW showed up in Dallas and there's a considerable uptick in turnovers. The improvements of Carter and Orton by his departures, and regressions of Romo and Aikman upon his arrival are pretty damning.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I was speaking of Wilson's tenure in Chicago. Orton did okay here. But he showed marked improvements after Wade left for Dallas. Compare that to Romo's performance after WW showed up in Dallas and there's a considerable uptick in turnovers. The improvements of Carter and Orton by his departures, and regressions of Romo and Aikman upon his arrival are pretty damning.

His improvement didnt allow him to keep his job. He was traded to Denver and he was subsequently cut loose for Tebow. He came to Dalllas and sat on the bench so I either don't understand your point or it really doesn't have anything to do with Wilson.

 

[townsend]

His improvement didnt allow him to keep his job. He was traded to Denver and he was subsequently cut loose for Tebow. He came to Dalllas and sat on the bench so I either don't understand your point or it really doesn't have anything to do with Wilson.

Keeping his job's pretty moot. By that standard his single start in a loss against Philadelphia in 2013 won him the starting job for Buffalo. With 20-20 hindsight I think Denver and Chicago would take back those decisions. They both went for a first rounder over a proven commodity.
It's the Steve DeBerg effect, people will always give up on a journeyman if they think they have the next "franchise" QB.

 

[Genghis Khan]

They absolutely were, as was Henson. The only reason we even got Romo right is because of Payton.

And especially David Lee.