2015 NFL Draft Chatter Thread 4/30-5/2

[Genghis Khan]

Yeah, the fumbling thing is kind of a big deal. That said, he will probably go somewhere else in a specialized role and turn into another Sproles.

Yep, not only the fumbling, but he's just not an every down back. We need a bell cow type, not the next Sproles. He's just not a fit.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

Reading through Abdullah's nfl.com draft profile I wouldn't be surprised if he is the guy for the Cowboys.

Weight-room demon awarded "Lifter of the Year"

Team captain and 2013 Academic All-American

Can help immediately as a punt or kick returner

Personal and football character is considered off-the-charts by the scouting community

Abdullah has explosive potential as a runner and ball-catcher and is a natural zone-scheme fit

His high character will make him a hit during interview process

If that isn't the RKG I don't know what is. They also need a punt returner with Harris gone. Gotta think this guy is a target for the Cowboys. With those traits I can just about guarantee he is high on their board.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

We need a bell cow type, not the next Sproles. He's just not a fit.

Why do you think he is Sproles?

ESPN was actually giving him a Chris Johnson comparison except he runs much tougher. I don't know that I agree with that comparison either but I think people assume all smaller RBs don't run with power or balance. Abdullah isn't afraid to run up there for the tough yards.

 

[boozeman]

I don't care if he ran in a zone scheme or not. He doesn't break tackles, he isn't fast and he is afraid of contact.

He's got the tippytoe thing that McCoy has, but you apparently get more annoyed by that than I do.

I want the player who is going to take what is there and then go for plus. Johnson is a lot more nifty and he has better balance which matters.

Coleman's running up the back of his linemen brings back Julius Jones memories.

Like I said, just don't like Coleman. Will I go completely apeshit if we draft him, no, not unless we trade up. I just won't think he is some equivalent to Murray, which he isn't.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Love this play. I know it was against a shit team but the guy knows how to make a play when his team needs it.

 

[E_D_Guapo]

Why do you think he is Sproles?

ESPN was actually giving him a Chris Johnson comparison except he runs much tougher. I don't know that I agree with that comparison either but I think people assume all smaller RBs don't run with power or balance. Abdullah isn't afraid to run up there for the tough yards.

nfl.com comps him to Andre Ellington.

 

[boozeman]

Why do you think he is Sproles?

ESPN was actually giving him a Chris Johnson comparison except he runs much tougher. I don't know that I agree with that comparison either but I think people assume all smaller RBs don't run with power or balance. Abdullah isn't afraid to run up there for the tough yards.

Remember Joe Cribbs? That is who Abdullah could be if he solved his fumbling issues.

 

[Jiggyfly]

I'm really surprised you like Duke Johnson so much. That guy runs scared of contact. Breaks very few tackles. I mean when you watch him there really isn't much special to his game. Not going to be great in pass protection Your opinions confuse me.

This totally not true he does not run scared and he has elite stop and start skills and great vision.

The only thing that scares me is that he is always nicked up.

 

[boozeman]

nfl.com comps him to Andre Ellington.

I think Ellington is a lot faster, or at least, more sudden.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Yep, not only the fumbling, but he's just not an every down back. We need a bell cow type, not the next Sproles. He's just not a fit.

I think Abdullah is a specialty back but I would still take him ahead of Coleman and neither before the 4th.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

nfl.com comps him to Andre Ellington.

Yeah, I just don't think they are similar players at all. It's a bad comparison in my opinion.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Why do you think he is Sproles?

ESPN was actually giving him a Chris Johnson comparison except he runs much tougher. I don't know that I agree with that comparison either but I think people assume all smaller RBs don't run with power or balance. Abdullah isn't afraid to run up there for the tough yards.

I agree he is tough runner I just don't think he last long running like that in the NFL.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I agree he is tough runner I just don't think he last long running like that in the NFL.

And this is fair. I have no idea how long he will last in the NFL. Hell 230 lb backs don't last very long in the league. But we've seen smaller backs last longer just because they don't tend to take as big of hits.

 

[boozeman]

We are spending a lot of time on the RBs, who does everyone want with a DL?

Gregory is a certified idiot, but he still is the best pass rusher in this class. I'd take him. We've wasted 2nd rounders on shitty one-dimensional TEs, why not?

Gregory, Owamagbe, Grady Jarrett and Carl Davis are the top four, then a wide gulf on my wikey scale until Preston Smith.

 

[NoDak]

We are spending a lot of time on the RBs, who does everyone want with a DL?

Gregory is a certified idiot, but he still is the best pass rusher in this class. I'd take him. We've wasted 2nd rounders on shitty one-dimensional TEs, why not?

Gregory, Owamagbe, Grady Jarrett and Carl Davis are the top four, then a wide gulf on my wikey scale until Preston Smith.

Gregory won't be on the board long. He'll go to the skins if he makes it to them.

Book it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Gregory, Owamagbe, Grady Jarrett and Carl Davis are the top four, then a wide gulf on my wikey scale until Preston Smith.

I'm not as high on Grady Jarrett but I agree about the other 3 guys. I'd probably go Gregory, Carl Davis and Odighizuwa in that order. I like Preston Smith and Mario Edwards as well. I'm actually warming to the idea of Mario Edwards as sort of a run stuffing DE who can shift inside to DT in pass rushing situations. I think it's too high for Frank Clark but I'm glad we are interested in him.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Gregory won't be on the board long. He'll go to the skins if he makes it to them.

Book it.

I don't expect Eli Harold to make it to us either.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Round 2
33. Tennessee Titans -- Jalen Collins, CB, LSU
Titans need cornerback help in a big way and Collins has first-round upside.

34. Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon
Tampa Bay must find tackle help to protect its investment in Jameis Winston.

35. Oakland Raiders -- Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State
Big and strong, Smith provides a formidable frame to add to the Raiders' offensive line.

36. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Eric Rowe, CB, Utah
Rowe will likely remind Gus Bradley of his former pupils in Seattle, where he served as defensive coordinator.

37. New York Jets -- Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA
The most productive collegiate inside linebacker over the last three years goes to Todd Bowles.

38. Washington Redskins -- Owamagbe Odighizuwa, DE/OLB, UCLA
Washington needs an edge-setter with athleticism and "Owa" has been rising up draft boards.

39. Chicago Bears -- Landon Collins, S, Alabama
The Bears would be thrilled to see Collins available here, but he could be the target of a trade-up earlier than this spot.

40. New York Giants -- Carl Davis, DT, Iowa
Davis had a huge Senior Bowl week and the Giants could use his brand of strength and quickness.

41. St. Louis Rams -- Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State
This is about the right spot for Strong, and it is definitely the right fit for the WR-needy Rams.

42. Atlanta Falcons -- Eddie Goldman, NT, Florida State
The transition to a 3-4 defense needs a pass rusher and run stuffer. Goldman is the run stuffer.

43. Cleveland Browns -- Eli Harold, OLB, Virginia
Cleveland needs edge speed; Harold is one of the quickest upfield in this draft.

44. New Orleans Saints -- Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State
The Saints lost Kenny Stills but Smith is likely an upgrade.


45. Minnesota Vikings -- Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Missouri
Teddy Bridgewater gets a boom-or-bust deep threat with the ability to come in and help right away.

46. San Francisco 49ers -- Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State
Darby didn't get the headlines that P.J. Williams received while at Florida State, but he's the more talented of the two.

47. Miami Dolphins -- P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State
Oh, hi, P.J.! I was just saying I love your game! ... Williams gives the Dolphins length and press-man coverage talent.

48. San Diego Chargers -- Jordan Phillips, NT, Oklahoma
Big-bodied interior player with rare quickness for a man his size. Has dominant potential, but must unlock it.

49. Kansas City Chiefs -- Preston Smith, DE, Mississippi State
Has great hands and will be a plus pass rusher as a 3-4 end in the Chiefs' scheme.

50. Buffalo Bills -- A.J. Cann, OG, South Carolina
Rex Ryan didn't have a first-round pick, but he is always looking to win in the trenches, and Cann helps that cause.

51. Houston Texans -- Tre' Jackson, OG, Florida State
Bill O'Brien wants to transition into a more power-based run game and Jackson has the size and talent to help in that effort.

52. Philadelphia Eagles -- Quinten Rollins, S, Miami (Ohio)
The Eagles could try Rollins at cornerback or safety, but what he flashed in only one year of college football was undeniable.

53. Cincinnati Bengals -- Grady Jarrett, NT, Clemson
One of the most disruptive interior defenders in this draft, Jarrett can fit right into the rotation for the Bengals.

54. Detroit Lions -- T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh
Long fall for Clemmings, but a good spot for him if he ends up this far down the second-round board.

55. Arizona Cardinals -- Nate Orchard, OLB, Utah
Everyone knows the Cardinals need outside linebacker help. It's just a matter of what their draft grades look like at this spot.


56. Pittsburgh Steelers -- Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota
Williams needs to improve as a run blocker, but he comes from NFL bloodlines and is the best pass-catching TE in this draft.

57. Carolina Panthers -- D'Joun Smith, CB, Florida Atlantic
Wiry frame with great man-cover talent. Smith's quick-twitch athleticism is a welcome sight in Carolina.

58. Baltimore Ravens -- Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.)
Johnson is an electric running back with the best zone-scheme skills of any rusher in this draft.

59. Denver Broncos -- Mitch Morse, OG, Missouri
Morse has been flying up draft boards lately. The former tackle transitions to guard or center and fits Gary Kubiak's offense perfectly.

60. Dallas Cowboys -- Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska
Sources tell me Gregory is off the draft board for many teams, but Dallas might not be able to pass on him if he's still available.

61. Indianapolis Colts -- Paul Dawson, ILB, TCU
Dawson didn't win the combine, but there were no other inside 'backers in college football who made more plays than him.

62. Green Bay Packers -- Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State
McKinney can be a little bit plodding and limited at times, but he's steady and a great tackler, which is a need inside for Green Bay.

63. Seattle Seahawks -- Michael Bennett, DT, Ohio State
Winning with quickness is a Seattle trademark, and Bennett is a plus pass rusher from the interior spot.

64. New England Patriots -- Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State
This might seem early for Lockett, but he is an outstanding return man who has Wes Welker's competitiveness from the slot.

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I'd yank it clean off.

 

[GForce78NJ]

I would also love McKinney or Perryman. I think McKinney is a very possible option if the RB/DL dallas likes are gone

 

[GShock]

You know we're doing that McKinney to DE thing.