2015 NFL Draft Chatter Thread 4/30-5/2

[Simpleton]

Long story short, the talent in the 1st round is pretty poor. Guys like Scherff, Cooper, White and especially Flowers who went 5-10 probably would’ve went somewhere around 15-25 last year. Basically, I don’t think we were ever going to really make hay in the 1st round, that’s why I wanted to trade down so badly, and if we had done that and taken Jones at 35-40, I’d have been pretty happy.

Anyway, the point is that I think the area where you really have to hit in this draft is the 2nd-4th, if we can do that, and come away with something like Ajayi/Frank Clarke/Marcus Hardison or Michael Bennett/TJ Yeldon/Jamison Crowder, I’ll be pretty pleased overall. If we do some completely dumb shit like taking Maxx Williams or another CB in the 3rd or some nonsense, then it will just exacerbate the fact that I’m ok with the Jones pick but not really thrilled.

 

[Cotton]

I agree we needed another corner. But there's two problems with that. One, we wouldn't need another corner so badly if we had retained Sterling Moore.his price was very palatable. 2, the resources you put into finding a corner matters.if you are getting a top end corner, then that's worthy of a first round pick. But if you were getting a guy with more potential than production, you don't take him this high.

That's my thing. If we had kept Moore, this pick doesn't happen. Or, at least you would hope it wouldn't. And, we could have gone DL. The pick still stings a bit, but it's not the end of the world, I don't guess.

 

[GForce78NJ]

Long story short, the talent in the 1st round is pretty poor. Guys like Scherff, Cooper, White and especially Flowers who went 5-10 probably would’ve went somewhere around 15-25 last year. Basically, I don’t think we were ever going to really make hay in the 1st round, that’s why I wanted to trade down so badly, and if we had done that and taken Jones at 35-40, I’d have been pretty happy.

Anyway, the point is that I think the area where you really have to hit in this draft is the 2nd-4th, if we can do that, and come away with something like Ajayi/Frank Clarke/Marcus Hardison or Michael Bennett/TJ Yeldon/Jamison Crowder, I’ll be pretty pleased overall. If we do some completely dumb shit like taking Maxx Williams or another CB in the 3rd or some nonsense, then it will just exacerbate the fact that I’m ok with the Jones pick but not really thrilled.

I know i'm grasping for anything to be ok with the Byron Jones pick, but yes I agree with mostly everything you said. The draft talent this year is MUCH less than last year. Scherff probably would have been the 4th tackle off the board last year even though he's still a very good player. That being said I think there is way too much mid round talent that could be helpful and if we were taking a CB, a trade down would have made this so much easier. I don't see a drastic difference between Byron Jones and Jalen Collins of LSU.

The meat of the draft should be in the next few picks. I don't want to take a RB if the talent at DT/DE/S is there. We should just let the draft come to us the next few picks rather than reach. If Coleman and Ajayi are both taken, we shouldn't be reaching on David Johnson in the second round. Should be interesting to watch today.

 

[townsend]

We really need at least 2 of the next 3 picks to be DL.

 

[NoDak]

Funny how fan perception of a player fluctuates. Sterling Moore is now looked at as some kind of good player. He was a JAG. Certainly nothing special. But now that he's gone and people have a predisposition against taking that position in the draft, he's looked back at fondly as being better than he really was. The complete opposite has happened to Demarco Murray. He in fact WAS a special player for us last year. But he's now looked at as some kind of easily replaced spare part. Because people like the position and like the players in the draft this year. And because he is now an Eagle. Go figure...

 

[Simpleton]

That's my thing. If we had kept Moore, this pick doesn't happen. Or, at least you would hope it wouldn't. And, we could have gone DL. The pick still stings a bit, but it's not the end of the world, I don't guess.

Claiborne is a goner and we want leverage to cut Carr's salary, and even if we do that Carr is gone in a year or two anyway. The sad fact of the matter is that we value CB's more than we should, and it's quite obvious that we don't value the 1-tech in this scheme at all.

Basically what I'm trying to say is I don't think Moore being around would've made a difference with this pick. You can't rely on Claiborne for a god damn thing and Carr could be gone as soon as a few months from now.

 

[GShock]

Find me anything that has him going in the 1st before the combine. Anything.

 

[Cotton]

Sturm's draft profile of Jones: http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/03/2015-nfl-draft-profile-byron-jones-cb-connecticut.html/

His summary:

It certainly doesn’t hurt that the NFL is becoming populated with quite a few UConn Huskies on the defensive side of the ball recently to demonstrate the caliber of defensive backs that school is producing. But, that said, he is his own man and it would be absurd to accuse him of being a “combine creation” as his tape stands up impressively as a combination of both large build and impressive athletic traits. On top of that he has very nice tape to back him up where he can really lock down on his man with aggressive man-cover traits you will want on Sunday. There are many solid corners in this draft, but you don’t have to go very far down that list to find this guy. He only played 7 games in 2014, but 43 college games overall tell you that he has plenty of experience at the position and looks the part of a 1st-2nd round pick.

 

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[Cowboysrock55]

. Without a strong DL he doesn't have much chance to be significantly better.

No offense but that's total bullshit. Scandrick looked a millions times better then Carr last year and they both had the same below average pass rush. If Byron Jones is a much better player then Carr, he will look like a significantly better player next year. No matter what we do on the D-line.

We all wanted a D-lineman and I have my doubts about Byron Jones ability but lets not turn this into some temper tantrum about corners not mattering because they do.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

That's my thing. If we had kept Moore, this pick doesn't happen. Or, at least you would hope it wouldn't. And, we could have gone DL. The pick still stings a bit, but it's not the end of the world, I don't guess.

Our coaches clearly didn't like Moore. He would have cost pennies to keep and we decided he wasn't worth it. I'm not sure why they hated him so much but they clearly did. That's why it would have never impacted this pick.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

A reminder of Cowboys' draft visitors

IRVING, Texas – Attempting to predict which players end up with which teams is a near-impossible task, but there has been an indicator for the Dallas Cowboys that has made the process at least a little easier.

Since 2005, the Cowboys’ first pick has visited Valley Ranch before the draft every year. The only exception was in 2012 when they traded up for cornerback Morris Claiborne.

Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Spencer, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, Jason Williams, Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zack Martin made the trip to the Cowboys for a pre-draft meeting. It is not just the top picks. It’s players throughout the rounds that have paid a visit too.

Last year, second-rounder DeMarcus Lawrence and seventh-rounder Ken Bishop visited. In 2013, five of the Cowboys’ top six picks visited with the only exception being tight end Gavin Escobar.

The Cowboys have met with most of the top running backs and cornerbacks before this year’s draft. They added late visits with Carl Davis, Dorial Green-Beckham and Randy Gregory.

Here is the list of known visitors as the draft kicks off tonight:

COWBOYS DRAFT VISITORS

Carl Davis, DT, Iowa

Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska

Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma

Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia

Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest

Eric Kendricks, LB, UCLA

Shaq Thompson, LB, Washington

Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin

Benardrick McKinney, LB, Mississippi State

Danielle Hunter, DE, LSU

Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana

Owamagbe Odighizuwa, DE, UCLA

Eli Harold, DE, Virginia

Frank Clark, DE, Michigan

Bud Dupree, DE, Kentucky

T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama

Byron Jones, CB, UConn

Jalen Collins CB, LSU

Josh Shaw, CB, USC

Marcus Peters, CB, Washington

Mario Edwards, DE, FSU

Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State

George Farmer, WR, Southern Cal

Gabe Martin, LB, Bowling Green

Buck Allen, RB, Southern Cal

Ian Silberman, OL, Boston College

Chaz Green, OL, Florida

Mark Nzeocha, LB, Wyoming

P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State

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Keep your eyes on these players in the second round. Obviously the corners are probably off the board as well. It's a lot of D-lineman and LBers at this point.

 

[Simpleton]

Give me Coleman, Ajayi, Edwards, Davis or Hunter and I'd be thrilled. Obviously I'd like guys like Kendricks, McKinney, OfigjshzjJa or Harold but they aren't realistic. Michael Bennett or Grady Jarrett would be great picks too.

 

[GForce78NJ]

A reminder of Cowboys' draft visitors

IRVING, Texas – Attempting to predict which players end up with which teams is a near-impossible task, but there has been an indicator for the Dallas Cowboys that has made the process at least a little easier.

Since 2005, the Cowboys’ first pick has visited Valley Ranch before the draft every year. The only exception was in 2012 when they traded up for cornerback Morris Claiborne.

Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Spencer, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, Jason Williams, Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick and Zack Martin made the trip to the Cowboys for a pre-draft meeting. It is not just the top picks. It’s players throughout the rounds that have paid a visit too.

Last year, second-rounder DeMarcus Lawrence and seventh-rounder Ken Bishop visited. In 2013, five of the Cowboys’ top six picks visited with the only exception being tight end Gavin Escobar.

The Cowboys have met with most of the top running backs and cornerbacks before this year’s draft. They added late visits with Carl Davis, Dorial Green-Beckham and Randy Gregory.

Here is the list of known visitors as the draft kicks off tonight:

COWBOYS DRAFT VISITORS

Carl Davis, DT, Iowa

Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska

Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma

Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia

Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest

Eric Kendricks, LB, UCLA

Shaq Thompson, LB, Washington

Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin

Benardrick McKinney, LB, Mississippi State

Danielle Hunter, DE, LSU

Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana

Owamagbe Odighizuwa, DE, UCLA

Eli Harold, DE, Virginia

Frank Clark, DE, Michigan

Bud Dupree, DE, Kentucky

T.J. Yeldon, RB, Alabama

Byron Jones, CB, UConn

Jalen Collins CB, LSU

Josh Shaw, CB, USC

Marcus Peters, CB, Washington

Mario Edwards, DE, FSU

Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State

George Farmer, WR, Southern Cal

Gabe Martin, LB, Bowling Green

Buck Allen, RB, Southern Cal

Ian Silberman, OL, Boston College

Chaz Green, OL, Florida

Mark Nzeocha, LB, Wyoming

P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State

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Keep your eyes on these players in the second round. Obviously the corners are probably off the board as well. It's a lot of D-lineman and LBers at this point.

If Randy Gregory is still there (which he shouldnt be) I do not see us passing on him.

Put me down as a hell yea for Gregory, Carl Davis, Tevin Coleman, Eli Harold, UCLA DE, McKinney, Kendricks, or Green-Beckham

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'd have no problem trading up for Randy Gregory either but the problem is we'd have to move up really far I'm afraid. Plus it would cost us our third most likely and that would push us out of the range of the RBs I like in this draft.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Give me Coleman, Ajayi, Edwards, Davis or Hunter and I'd be thrilled. Obviously I'd like guys like Kendricks, McKinney, OfigjshzjJa or Harold but they aren't realistic. Michael Bennett or Grady Jarrett would be great picks too.

Not sure why that article didn't list Ajayi but I'm almost positive he was a pre draft visitor. I just hope there aren't real concerns about his knee otherwise that guy may tumble real far in this draft. The talk about his knee sounds more like future microfracture surgery and we know what happens when teams think a knee is degenerative.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Only white player drafted in first round goes to...the Redskins.

 

[Deuce]

One thing that does have me happy from last night is I don't believe any division opponent got much better. The Skins are just copying our formula with a Martin for Scherff and I'm not a huge believer in him, Ereck Flowers is decent but overrated due to the poor OL in this class and Collins' recent mess, and Agholor is as best an average #2 WR/return man. He might actually be someone Byron Jones can cover.

 

[GForce78NJ]

I don't think its realistic for Tevin Coleman to be there either. I'd do a backflip if we get him at 60

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I don't think its realistic for Tevin Coleman to be there either. I'd do a backflip if we get him at 60

No question about it. Some RBs will go in the second round. Just depend which ones that particular team fancies. I really like Coleman but I think some teams are supposedly super high on TJ Yeldon. If Yeldon and say one other back goes before Coleman then I think Coleman could be there at our pick. If not one of these D-lineman has to fall. There are too many guys I still like on the D-line. At worst Mario Williams or someone must be there.