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[Genghis Khan]

Well that's because as a team we actually ran for 2300 yards thanks to Randle chipping in with some excellent runs. The Cowboys actually wouldn't be splitting up 392 carries between 3 backs. We actually ran the ball 508 total times last year (Including QBs and WRs).

Also those 14 teams didn't have Romo and Dez Bryant moving the chains. Kind of makes a big difference.

And we had Romo and Bryant for years before 2014 and weren't as successful until we emerged as a run first team.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And we had Romo and Bryant for years before 2014 and weren't as successful until we emerged as a run first team.

Yeah and we had Murray too as a "bell cow back" prior to last year.

I think you're actually proving my point. It's more about the commitment to the run then it is actually about the RB running the ball.

 

[boozeman]

It worked for New England last year. All your committee needs is 3.5 - 4 yards per play until a team HAS to give some respect to defending the run.

It worked for New England because Belichick is a master at gameplanning. He would go from pass happy to run heavy depending on the opponent.

Sorry, we don't have that kind of individual as our head coach. And oh yeah, they also have a passing system that is practically unstoppable due to Brady.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Why not? If you can get 4 yards a carry you don't even have to pass the ball. Considering all of Randle's long runs last year, are we really going to pretend like we don't have a back who can threaten to get 10 yards?

Because you are confusing average with always. One 2 yard gain due to an inferior runner and we're in passing mode. Committee backs are usually not as good and therefore easier to stop.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Yeah and we had Murray too as a "bell cow back" prior to last year.

I think you're actually proving my point. It's more about the commitment to the run then it is actually about the RB running the ball.

Nope, because the point is we didn't actually use Murray as a bellcow back prior to 2014.

 

[Genghis Khan]

It worked for New England because Belichick is a master at gameplanning. He would go from pass happy to run heavy depending on the opponent.

Sorry, we don't have that kind of individual as our head coach. And oh yeah, they also have a passing system that is practically unstoppable due to Brady.

Exactly right.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Those teams didn't have the league leader in QB Rating throwing to a great receiving cast.

Romo didn't lead the league until he shared the offensive burden with Murray.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Actually 15 teams rushed for 1800 yards last year.

So.

So. Just what I said. Less than half the teams accomplish the production of one RB last year for Dallas. With backs like McFadden and Dunbar i dont see them getting 800 yards each. I might see it with Randle but it will take about 800 yards from three backs to equal last years production.

 

[hstour]

And we had Romo and Bryant for years before 2014 and weren't as successful until we emerged as a run first team.

Maybe due to Martin? You have to remember that Garrett, as a player, came from a system that had a line that A Football Life deemed "The Great Wall of Dallas."

Maybe it was the first time he felt there that the line could get the push to get a yard or two in the toughest situations (3rd and 1, 4th and 1). In 2013, they ran well, but they didn't try that often in those situations.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Last year 14 NFL teams rushed for more then 1800 yards.

Yea the teams did but that was less output than a single RB for Dallas. It will take better material than guys like McFadden to make up what Dallas produced last year. Dunbar probably wont get many more touches than last season and i dont see Randle and McFadden making up the difference.

 

[hstour]

It worked for New England because Belichick is a master at gameplanning. He would go from pass happy to run heavy depending on the opponent.

Sorry, we don't have that kind of individual as our head coach. And oh yeah, they also have a passing system that is practically unstoppable due to Brady.

Completely agree with Belichick as a gameplanner. Totally disagree with Brady as being practically unstoppable.

All you have to do to Brady (and Peyton too) is collapse the pocket from the interior, right in his face and hit him a few times. That speeds up the clock in his head and he starts getting rid of the ball too soon and missing receivers.

Not an easy thing to do, but it absolutely works every time. Examples would include both SB loses to NY and the Jets in 2010.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Yea the teams did but that was less output than a single RB for Dallas. It will take better material than guys like McFadden to make up what Dallas produced last year. Dunbar probably wont get many more touches than last season and i dont see Randle and McFadden making up the difference.

Who here has said they expect to get that kind of production from what we currently have?

You are already starting to move the goalpost, you originally said it not easy for a team to rush for 1800 yards, that was proven to be false.

Everybody is saying they expect to add a RB in the draft so you need to account for that or you are creating a strawman.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Who here has said they expect to get that kind of production from what we currently have?

You are already starting to move the goalpost, you originally said it not easy for a team to rush for 1800 yards, that was proven to be false.

Everybody is saying they expect to add a RB in the draft so you need to account for that or you are creating a strawman.

Less than half the teams reached 1800 yards so it isnt easy hence it isn't false. Secondly the "Strawman" isn't being created by me because by your description that person is being anticiped according to you. I am accounting with the existing RBs on the tean.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Less than half the teams reached 1800 yards so it isn't easy hence it isn't false. Secondly the "Strawman" isn't being created by me because by your description that person is being anticiped according to you. I am accounting with the existing RBs on the tean.

1800 yards is closer to average (15 of 32) than being infrequent and over half were 75yards short of 18800, so I don't know what kind of math you are using.

And using accounting that nobody else is using in an argument is the very definition of strawman.

Anyway I know where this is heading so I will just end what I have to say on this now.

 

[L.T. Fan]

1800 yards is closer to average (15 of 32) than being infrequent and over half were 75yards short of 18800, so I don't know what kind of math you are using.

And using accounting that nobody else is using in an argument is the very definition of strawman.

Anyway I know where this is heading so I will just end what I have to say on this now.

Jiggy sometime you just defy me. I didnt introduce a new, phanton or invisible player in my comments. That was all done onyour side of the ledger when you commented another player is anticipated.. I used currently known signed players. Secondly I didnt introduce averages into the equation. That also came from.you. i divided it into upper half and lower half. The lower half are the ones that didnt attain the benchmark which I earmarked at 1800 for obvious reasons.. If you are an accountant i think i know where the term creative accounting comes from. I would preffer to not take these side trips you are setting the table with.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Anyone remember the offseason after 2009?

Yep.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Maybe due to Martin? You have to remember that Garrett, as a player, came from a system that had a line that A Football Life deemed "The Great Wall of Dallas."

Maybe it was the first time he felt there that the line could get the push to get a yard or two in the toughest situations (3rd and 1, 4th and 1). In 2013, they ran well, but they didn't try that often in those situations.

Due to Linehan.

 

[townsend]

Murray is a good back. Or at least was last year. He was a quality back who also played with a top line, and a top QB. He deserves a lot of credit for what he did last year. But I think we can still win averaging 4.2 YPC instead of 4.7. The most important thing is sustaining drives by continuing to run the ball. If McFadden and whoever else can keep us above 4 YPC and we pass less than 35 times per game. We will be fine. We went in 2003 10-6 with Troy Hambrick and crew because we were smart enough to play ball control.

If there's one thing I would point to as the reason we failed in the playoffs, it's the empty backfield formation. Which was usually the "Demarco just ran 20 yards and needs a breather" formation. I would much prefer a 3rd down back on the field, than telegraphing pass and leaving Romo with no blockers in the backfield.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Murray is a good back. Or at least was last year. He was a quality back who also played with a top line, and a top QB. He deserves a lot of credit for what he did last year. But I think we can still win averaging 4.2 YPC instead of 4.7. The most important thing is sustaining drives by continuing to run the ball. If McFadden and whoever else can keep us above 4 YPC and we pass less than 35 times per game. We will be fine. We went in 2003 10-6 with Troy Hambrick and crew because we were smart enough to play ball control.

If there's one thing I would point to as the reason we failed in the playoffs, it's the empty backfield formation. Which was usually the "Demarco just ran 20 yards and needs a breather" formation. I would much prefer a 3rd down back on the field, than telegraphing pass and leaving Romo with no blockers in the backfield.

According to ESPN the empty backfield was the most successful formation of the team.

 

[townsend]

According to ESPN the empty backfield was the most successful formation of the team.

I'd like to find out whether it also accumulated the most sacks. It's a high risk, high reward formation it also ended up forcing Romo to take a lot of hard hits in Detroit and GB. Which would have contributed to less successful plays in every formation.