Archer: Looking back so Cowboys don't make same 2010 mistake

[L.T. Fan]

Spencer had his surgery July 2013. His first full practice was October 25th 2014. 15 months later. He returned to the line up after that. Total time was approximately 17 months before he played again. That is longer than most rehab times by almost a year. Giving the benefit to an athlete of twice the time he still took over 6 more months. In my mind that's excessive. Also the medical field doesn't indicate that it takes that long under most every circumstances.

 

[ravidubey]

Spencer had his surgery July 2013. His first full practice was October 25th 2014. 15 months later. He returned to the line up after that. Total time was approximately 17 months before he played again. That is longer than most rehab times by almost a year. Giving the benefit to an athlete of twice the time he still took over 6 more months. In my mind that's excessive. Also the medical field doesn't indicate that it takes that long under most every circumstances.

You've got to factor that few if any NFL players have really ever come back from that surgery before (have any?... I know, www.google.com). Given that, the fact Spencer successfully managed it at all is impressive. And he was successful, especially by years end.

If we keep Spencer, nothing prevents us from building on the improvement Mincey, Lawrence, and Spencer were showing in the season's final month. They had something like 5 sacks in the playoffs, and I know they were dialing up pressure at times.

They mainly need help inside.

 

[jsmith6919]

You've got to factor that few if any NFL players have really ever come back from that surgery before (have any?... I know, www.google.com). Given that, the fact Spencer successfully managed it at all is impressive. And he was successful, especially by years end.

If we keep Spencer, nothing prevents us from building on the improvement Mincey, Lawrence, and Spencer were showing in the season's final month. They had something like 5 sacks in the playoffs, and I know they were dialing up pressure at times.

They mainly need help inside.

Colston has had the surgery twice, once on each knee. He's the only one I can think of though.

 

[L.T. Fan]

You've got to factor that few if any NFL players have really ever come back from that surgery before (have any?... I know, www.google.com). Given that, the fact Spencer successfully managed it at all is impressive. And he was successful, especially by years end.

If we keep Spencer, nothing prevents us from building on the improvement Mincey, Lawrence, and Spencer were showing in the season's final month. They had something like 5 sacks in the playoffs, and I know they were dialing up pressure at times.

They mainly need help inside.

If that's the case then all the more reason to cut him loose. From your own description he is statistically a trainwreck waiting to happen.

 

[ravidubey]

Colston has had the surgery twice, once on each knee. He's the only one I can think of though.

Good one. I know several NBA players have recovered from it, and Colston's position is similar to an NBA players' in many ways. As a lineman Spencer puts his knee through different pressure than a player playing in space.

In any case, he looked quicker than I recall seeing him in many years. I think Dallas caught a break since it's doubtful he demands a lot on the open market as a result of his injury history, while his arrow is looking up.

 

[Clay_Allison]

If that's the case then all the more reason to cut him loose. From your own description he is statistically a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Exactly. He's 32, playing on knees held together with duct tape. If we bring him back, plan on him being on IR by midseason at the latest.

 

[ravidubey]

Exactly. He's 32, playing on knees held together with duct tape. If we bring him back, plan on him being on IR by midseason at the latest.

A fine risk at around a million bucks. I'm saying sign him as the 4th or 5th DE, not build our defense around him.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Spencer had his surgery July 2013. His first full practice was October 25th 2014. 15 months later. He returned to the line up after that. Total time was approximately 17 months before he played again. That is longer than most rehab times by almost a year. Giving the benefit to an athlete of twice the time he still took over 6 more months. In my mind that's excessive. Also the medical field doesn't indicate that it takes that long under most every circumstances.

What are you getting this from even ACL tears are given a 9 to 12 month timeframe for return.

This was microfracture which takes even longer to come back from are you really saying he should have been back in 7 months?

You sure seem to be going out of your way to paint Spencer as a slacker when this has never been reported gy anyone around the team or reporters.

 

[L.T. Fan]

What are you getting this from even ACL tears are given a 9 to 12 month timeframe for return.

This was microfracture which takes even longer to come back from are you really saying he should have been back in 7 months?

You sure seem to be going out of your way to paint Spencer as a slacker when this has never been reported gy anyone around the team or reporters.

Just google rehab time for this injury. There are dozens of medical journals on the subject.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Just google rehab time for this injury. There are dozens of medical journals on the subject.

I did and they all said earliest return to sports related activities is 6 months that's just starting to strengthen muscles and straight line running and thats with no setbacks.

He did not have surgery until Oct 2013 so his 1st practice was a little over a year about the same as every other pro athlete with the surgery.

Like I said you are making stuff up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfracture_surgery

 

[L.T. Fan]

I did and they all said earliest return to sports related activities is 6 months that's just starting to strengthen muscles and straight line running and thats with no setbacks.

He did not have surgery until Oct 2013 so his 1st practice was a little over a year about the same as every other pro athlete with the surgery.

Like I said you are making stuff up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfracture_surgery

That article gave one example (Stoutemier) who had a time frame similiar to what you are alluding to. The rest of the examples were those who didn't have a successful experience.at all.

 

[Jiggyfly]

That article gave one example (Stoutemier) who had a time frame similiar to what you are alluding to. The rest of the examples were those who didn't have a successful experience.at all.

Oden and Sizemore timetables are in there as well, show me anybody that was back in 7 months.

So you gonna explain how you came up with Spencer being out for 17 months?

 

[L.T. Fan]

Oden and Sizemore timetables are in there as well, show me anybody that was back in 7 months.

So you gonna explain how you came up with Spencer being out for 17 months?

Most don't make it back. Those that have for the most part struggled and some retired later. Few have been successful in sports. The rehab time for non sports is about six months. There isn't sufficient data on athletes to give a right on target or usual time.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Most don't make it back. Those that have for the most part struggled and some retired later. Few have been successful in sports. The rehab time for non sports is about six months. There isn't sufficient data on athletes to give a right on target or usual time.

And yet you did and incorrectly stated how long Spencer was out.

Why is that?

 

[L.T. Fan]

And yet you did and incorrectly stated how long Spencer was out.

Why is that?

If you read it correctly you will see i said it was my opinion he had been out too long. My time table on the events were exactlt correct. He had his surgery july 2013 and returned to full practice October 2014. Verify it for yourself. He didnt play in a game until November in a limited capacity. There is nothing incorrectly stated.

 

[Jiggyfly]

If you read it correctly you will see i said it was my opinion he had been out too long. My time table on the events were exactlt correct. He had his surgery july 2013 and returned to full practice October 2014. Verify it for yourself. He didnt play in a game until November in a limited capacity. There is nothing incorrectly stated.

He had his surgery in Oct 2013 so yes that was incorrectly stated.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2013/10/02/spencer-undergoes-microfracture-surgery-left-knee

Anthony Spencer underwent successful microfracture surgery on his left knee on Tuesday. The procedure was performed by Dr. Dan Cooper, one of the Cowboys’ team physicians. He was placed on injured reserve last week and will be out for the rest of the season.
Spencer was bothered by the left knee since the start of camp. Just a few days after the Cowboys arrived in Oxnard, Calif. in mid-July, Spencer was sent back to Dallas for arthroscopic knee surgery. The goal was to have him back 100 percent for the Giants game on Sept. 8, but Spencer wasn’t ready. His first and only game of the season occurred the next week in Kansas City. Spencer played limited snaps and had two quarterback pressures in a backup role.

 

[L.T. Fan]

He had his surgery in Oct 2013 so yes that was incorrectly stated.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2013/10/02/spencer-undergoes-microfracture-surgery-left-knee

His first surgery was in July 2013 and he later had went back for an additional procedure

 

[Jiggyfly]

His first surgery was in July 2013 and he later had went back for an additional procedure

And?

Your timeline was wrong just admit it.

 

[Clay_Allison]

A fine risk at around a million bucks. I'm saying sign him as the 4th or 5th DE, not build our defense around him.

That's not a risk. That's throwing a million bucks into the toilet. We need to be looking for another Selvie-type potential contributor for the 4th DE, not just giving money away to an old guy who won't contribute anything to the team but a name on the IR.

One winning season and everyone that was ready for a youth movement a year ago wants to cling to old, injured guys like they are security blankets.

One of the ways the Patriots stayed on top so long is being willing to ruthlessly cut old guys and move on. The opposite is also one reason the Steelers fell out of the championship picture. Their defense got old all at once because they were clinging to too many guys in their late 30s.

Free Agency should be more like a second draft. Look to get younger and healthier and build depth, including with guys that haven't broken through in other places. Our front office has been pretty good at that lately and I'd like to see them continue to churn instead of going right back to the old practice of clinging to our guys out of laziness and familiarity.

 

[p1_]

A fine risk at around a million bucks. I'm saying sign him as the 4th or 5th DE, not build our defense around him.

Yes, and if someone manages to outplay him, cut him loose. But will he play for a mil?