Archer: 'Coach' Tony Romo with a lot on plate

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You say that, but you don't know it.
I do know it. I know for a fact that when you don't have an OL, it's much harder to score in the redzone. I know it just as much as I know that the DL is more important than the CBs.

Probably why I argue this subject so vehemently. Because to deny that the OL (which we all know is one of the worst in the league) is weighing down our offensive stats (particularly red zone stats) is basically to plaster an "I'm football retarded" sign on your forehead.

I know it. I'm 100% sure. If you disagree that our shitty OL is weighing down our offensive stats, you are wrong and you're an idiot. I know it just as much as I know our DL is our biggest problem on defense.

I've always said I don't really believe he works on the running game enough in practice.
"You say that, but you don't know it."

In fact he practiced hitting and run blocking drills to the extent allowed by NFL rules as soon as he took over. I haven't seen any evidence that he doesn't practice it besides your own claims.

It's a common problem among offensive coordinators. I've seen the head coach of the last high school I worked for yell at the OC for running all passing plays in practice and I can see Garrett having the same problem. He wants to play with his toys and still doesn't see the big picture well enough to care about fundamentals.
So you're just assuming that Garrett isn't practicing it because you saw a high school coach not practice it? Makes sense.

Neither of us see the practices, but I don't see Garrett as the type of guy that would demand that they work until they were at least technically sound in what any offensive lineman will tell you is the easiest thing to do, run blocking.
I see him as that type. Considering that as soon as he took over he made them start hitting in OL drills to the extent allowed by NFL rules.
 
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Bullshit.

It isn't just a lack of scoring in the redzone, it's an inability to get the offense rolling early.
You are misremembering. Back in 2007-2010 he got his offense rolling week in and week out. It was finishing the drives and scoring in the redzone that was the main (only, practically) problem.

How many damn times under Garrett's watch have we fallen behind by double digits early then rallied in the 2nd half with an up-tempo/no-huddle offense?
Aside from 2012?

No more than the New York Giants or Philadelphia Eagles, I'm sure.

That isn't great coaching, that's sandlot football being implemented because the team has to score a lot of points and do so quickly.
This is the same idiotic argument Clay may the other day and it's straight up false and 2012 proved it.

You are wrong. 2012 was the year we did the most "sandlotting" of any year. And the result was unprecedented inefficiency. Which is why Bob said "We need to go back to running game plans instead of abandoning them. Abandoning our game plans did not work for us." Go back and read the article again if you missed it. Sandlotting DID NOT WORK. It worked better than the game plans did in 2012, but it did not and could not achieve 2007 or, say, 2009 levels of efficiency.

Garrett has had tons of succes moving the ball up and down the field with Romo and the weapons we've rolled through here. His game plans in past years have been top-10 in generating yards almost without exception. That would not be consistently possible with only one half of productive offense each week.

Plus, you know, I can remember that what happened in 2012 was not at all what happened in previous years since I actually watched the games.

Garrett has shown no ability to create and implement a consistent and productive NFL offense. You keep pointing to those stupid worthless yards when you know damn well this offense has struggled frequently under his watch and does not have the points to accompany all those yards.
Yeah, that's what I just said. Garrett knows how to produce yards. What he's struggled with is the redzone, and converting the yards into points. Which is primarily an OL problem, because we are not able to pound it in when we get in the redzone.

Way to contradict yourself.

You're just a Garrett whore and everyone knows it. That's why nobody takes your arguments about Garrett seriously. You have zero objectivity when it comes to him.
I really don't give a shit if the same 5 people on this message board -- who are completely and obviously wrong on the subject, and who change their complaints on a daily basis, actually -- tell me I'm wrong.

You cannot argue that Garrett's 6 years of producing top offenses in terms of yardage are a product of "sandlot" play and abandoning his schemes when this year we did it more than ever and clearly had the worst offensive consistency this year of any year since Garrett has been here. It makes no sense.

Especially when -- and I'm sure you'd agree with me -- that our OL was worse this year than any year previously.

Occam's Razor dude. We all know and you agree that the OL was worse than ever this year. We all know (or we should know) that Garrett has always been able to move the ball because the stats prove it beyond argument unless you're a retard or a liar.

You are fabricating problems in an attempt to discredit him and it's as clear as day.

It's amazing that everyone basically was forced to admit the other day in that other thread that Garrett in fact could move the ball, but two days later we're going to have the same argument again because the Garrett hate is so ingrained.

That's ok. I'll do it again as long as you guys keep posting this nonsense.
 
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What's funny here is that the excuses that Schmitty uses to absolve Garrett could be better used to absolve Romo. But when it comes time to evaluate Romo, Schmitty is just as critical as any other member here who dislikes Romo's play on the field.

If the shitty O-line is to be blamed for Garrett's lack of production, then it should shoulder the blame for Romo' s poor games as well.

You can't have it both ways.
 
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What's funny here is that the excuses that Schmitty uses to absolve Garrett could be better used to absolve Romo. But when it comes time to evaluate Romo, Schmitty is just as critical as any other member here who dislikes Romo's play on the field.

If the shitty O-line is to be blamed for Garrett's lack of production, then it should shoulder the blame for Romo' s poor games as well.

You can't have it both ways.
Welcome back, apologist.
 

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What's funny here is that the excuses that Schmitty uses to absolve Garrett could be better used to absolve Romo. But when it comes time to evaluate Romo, Schmitty is just as critical as any other member here who dislikes Romo's play on the field.
Except I have not said that we should cut Romo and I have said many times he's a top 10 QB.

Draft a future replacement, sure. Kinda like how I've said I'd replace Garrett if we could get an elite head coach in here.

So thanks for pointing out how consistent I am.
 

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I still like Garrett and Romo; so I guess I am officially the last in line.
 

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As a general matter I like them both as well but Garrett has't given me munch to get excited about.
 

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I still like Garrett and Romo; so I guess I am officially the last in line.
I like Romo too and I actually feel bad for him. But that doesn't change the fact that if we had an opportunity to acquire a top QB prospect we should do it.
 

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You are misremembering. Back in 2007-2010 he got his offense rolling week in and week out. It was finishing the drives and scoring in the redzone that was the main (only, practically) problem
We had an amazing red zone offense in 07.
 

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We had an amazing red zone offense in 07.
Which coincidentally was the best OL we've had. Barber was also in his prime. I wonder what changed. The coach didn't. The QB didn't (along with his ability to "sandlot" it up).

But the line did!

(We also miss having a goal line running back who can get tough yards, Felix Jones and DeMarco Murray both are not really goal line runners).
 
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Which coincidentally was the best OL we've had. Barber was also in his prime. I wonder what changed. The coach didn't. The QB didn't (along with his ability to "sandlot" it up).

But the line did!

(We also miss having a goal line running back who can get tough yards, Felix Jones and DeMarco Murray both are not really goal line runners).
Sparano, the only guy on the staff that thought the OL was important, counts as a coaching change.
 

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Sparano, the only guy on the staff that thought the OL was important, counts as a coaching change.
Correct. Sparano had an influence on that OL, which basically stayed intact for 2008, but yet suddenly lost the ability to win short yardage battles under Houck.
 

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You don't have to tell me that Sparano was a good coach, though you wouldn't have thought it from what people said about him while he was here.

But Houck and Callahan aren't garbage OL coaches either. The OL really did fall off rather quickly. Everyone was in their 30s, it was to be expected.
 

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Houck didn't do a good job in his second run here and his influence on the offensive line got us guys like Robert Brewster. So far Callahan has yet to make an impact.
 

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Houck didn't do a good job in his second run here and his influence on the offensive line got us guys like Robert Brewster.
Well, yeah.... I agree that the talent has sucked, that's my point.

We're losing track of the issue here, being, that the offense has usually been very good at moving the ball but has gotten progressively worse as the OL gets worse.

Now whether the coach bears responsibility for picking the bad talent, that's a separate issue.
 

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Well, yeah.... I agree that the talent has sucked, that's my point.

We're losing track of the issue here, being, that the offense has usually been very good at moving the ball but has gotten progressively worse as the OL gets worse.

Now whether the coach bears responsibility for picking the bad talent, that's a separate issue.
They don't run the ball well even early in the season, and definitely not in the redzone.
 
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