Harvey: Case for Murray — it’s about value, not position

[ravidubey]

Ravid really likes to be thorough.

OK... Running game == really important.

 

[Cotton]

OK... Running game == really important.

 

[Genghis Khan]

What do you guys thinking of bringing in Trent Richardson if we go with the RB by committee thing?

I know he's sucked out loud in Indy, but it wouldn't hurt to bring him to camp. Make him battle it out in camp for a job and let's see where his heart is at. If he has the desire, he could provide us some quality carries especially behind this line.

I by no means want him to start, I just think he might be ok as a rotational guy.

Not just no but HELL NO.

WTF?

No effin way. He flat out sucks.

 

[Clay_Allison]

I don't think that Trent Richardson could average 4 yards a carry if the defense left the field.

 

[Carp]

Not to diminish Murray, but lots of teams just plug and play without having one player in mind. NE is a great example, Bal with Forsett, Den with Anderson, you can go on and on. With our OL most RBs are going to have success. Just need to be smart, sounds like Jerry is in regards to Murray now, but we can still have a dominant run game if we stick with the philosophy behind this line.

 

[data]

So you want a little Thunder with your Lightning?

 

[ravidubey]

Not to diminish Murray, but lots of teams just plug and play without having one player in mind. NE is a great example, Bal with Forsett, Den with Anderson, you can go on and on. With our OL most RBs are going to have success. Just need to be smart, sounds like Jerry is in regards to Murray now, but we can still have a dominant run game if we stick with the philosophy behind this line.

San Diego did this too.

Those teams kept finding and drafting players and were never satisfied with only drafting Mathews(1), or Hillman(3), or White(4), or Ball (2), or Vereen(2), or Ridley(3).

I think we can be good but IMO we should build with an eye to being great for years. Like those teams. They used high draft picks, Hell the Pats used two in one year, on the position time and again.

Accept no substitutes but RB's who can carry the load, pass protect, and catch the football. Then you truly have a next man up situation.

The Ravens weren't afraid to draft Pierce in the 3rd round when they already had Rice who was a 2nd rounder.

If we had this philosophy, we'd have followed our draft board and taken Shady McCoy in 2009 like we should have instead of trading down and taking Robert Brewster.

 

[boozeman]

All I can say is if we depend on Randle, we will regret it.

 

[L.T. Fan]

All I can say is if we depend on Randle, we will regret it.

Randle should be used in relief. He is a good backup but he isnt physically built to be the primary rock carrier. He was okay as a college back but at the pro level he cant take a sustained load.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Hypothetically, at our low draft spot, with all things being equal, the BPAs are at RB, WR, RT, TE...who do you pick?

I'd go WR first, RT, TE, RB last

The one reason I don't think we'd go RT is I can't see us having 4 first round OL and three in a row. Not gonna happen. With that in mind I'd say RB.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Randle should be used in relief. He is a good backup but he isnt physically built to be the primary rock carrier.

He is 6' 210 lbs? How else should he be built?

 

[Cotton]

The one reason I don't think we'd go RT is I can't see us having 4 first round OL and three in a row. Not gonna happen. With that in mind I'd say RB.

Hell no. We can find RB in other ways. I don't give a shit about BPA.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Hell no. We can find RB in other ways. I don't give a shit about BPA.

It's so hard to say how to determine BPA when comparing a RB to DE. A RB who goes to a few probowls over his career isn't nearly as valuable as a DE who goes to a few probowls over his career. It's just a fact of life. A RBs grade needs to be knocked down a few pegs based simply on the fact that there is a ton of supply in the NFL. If you don't do that your team will just continually find RBs to the the BPA in the draft.

 

[fortsbest]

And Williams was evaluated as not good enough, considering Williams an option right now is only based on draft pedigree.

I don't think it was that he wasn't a good enough RB, I thought it was because he was not a viable ST player option. But they wanted to keep him on the PS for a reason.

To be fair I have no idea what they evaluated to think Dunbar deserved the roster spot over Williams. I understand only wanting to keep 3 RBs on your roster and Randle proved to be a pretty good runner this year. I'm still not sure why in the hell we kept Dunbar on the roster and held him out of preseason.

Did Dunbar do ST? In preseason, Williams looked like the toughest of the backup runners to me. He hit holes hard and fast and hit people hard just like Murray. If all he is asked to do is be a RB and not ST then maybe he'd be fine.

 

[Carp]

I don't want to shit on Williams, he did look good in the preseason, but there was a rash of injuries this year around the league and no team tried to sign him off out PS.

 

[Angrymesscan]

I don't want to shit on Williams, he did look good in the preseason, but there was a rash of injuries this year around the league and no team tried to sign him off out PS.

I think some saw more than really was there from Williams, I'd love to see him take the starting spot and be all everyone thought he was going to be coming out of college, but with things like what you just mentioned it doesn't seem likely.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I don't give a shit about BPA.

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[p1_]

He is 6' 210 lbs? How else should he be built?

He should have 7 more pounds.

 

[ravidubey]

It's so hard to say how to determine BPA when comparing a RB to DE. A RB who goes to a few probowls over his career isn't nearly as valuable as a DE who goes to a few probowls over his career. It's just a fact of life. A RBs grade needs to be knocked down a few pegs based simply on the fact that there is a ton of supply in the NFL. If you don't do that your team will just continually find RBs to the the BPA in the draft.

The "oversupply" of RBs is kind of exaggerated. Yeah the 2008 draft had some great 2nd rounders, a fine 3rd rounder, and notable 1st round busts, but that kind of depth is rare as shit.

A fully healthy DeMarco Murray couldn't repeat what he did for Dallas last year. It's unsustainable. You need multiple high quality players to replace that kind of performance, and that performance was critical to Dallas going 12-4.

Dallas needs multiple high-quality backs... and they have none.

They have most of the pieces of a defense that got them to 12-4, but they have no running backs. At all.

Dallas' window with Romo is in the process of slamming shut.

In one year with the 27th pick in each round, where are you going to find the biggest impact to get Dallas back into the playoffs and over the hump?

 

[fortsbest]

I'm not one to dismiss Murray's contributions this year, but....as good as he was, I think he runs to contact too much and the fumbling kills me. It is particularly bad when he knows he has the issue and still continues to run with the ball like he does and then it cost us in the playoffs. That play more than Dez was a killer IMHO. That being said, if he won't sign for a reasonable number, I look to find a similar back that doesn't fumble that you can pair with Randle and Williams or Dunbar. You mix the others in more than you did and I bet you get similar or better production with less concern about losing the ball.