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I posted yesterday about '3 feet down' and agree with this article that '3 feet down' is better.
Inside Slant: Post-Dez Bryant, attempting to understand the point of the 'Process Rul
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I mean how in the FUCK is extending the ball to the goalline not a "move common to the game" of football?
The ref is basically saying Dez randomly landed on the goal line in the process of going to the ground and making a catch.
That's bullshit. "Football Move" ends "the process", and diving for a fricking TOUCHDOWN is the very definition of a football move.
Interference: No
Perfectly timed Leap for catch and control: Yes.
Two feet inbounds: Yes.
Knee down: Yes.
Contacted by defender: Yes.
"Move" to score and put his team ahead after making the greatest play of his career? YES.
I mean at one point during the play while on the ground he's actually raising the ball slightly away from the ground. How can this happen while "going to the ground" if the WR is not trying to do something with the football???
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I mean, wow. I'm still in complete shock that call went the way it did, two days later.
What a terrible call. All time great catch and all time bad call.
What a terrible call. All time great catch and all time bad call.
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No one I've read here so far has also accounted for the fact that the DB touched Dez as he was going down so when he made contact with the elbow and then his body before the ball hit, he should have been ruled down by contact. Every time I watch that clip in slow mo it makes me sick because anyone can see he has complete control of the ball with both hands and then shifts it to the right hand to try and reach the end zone. Muther Focker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It doesn't have to be accounted for; you don't understand the rule (not blaming you, the rule is stupid and confusing).
Imagine a scenario where a WR jumps up into the air to catch a ball. The ball is snagged between his mitts, and is not moving, while he is up in the air. As he comes down, still holding onto the ball, his tiptoes on both feet light scrape the ground (so that's two feet down). Before another split second passes, a DB delivers a crushing hit from behind and the ball comes loose.
That's not a catch. He has to maintain possession of the ball through a "football move" besides simply getting his feet down. It's incomplete.
But it's also not a fumble. Why not? He had the ball between his hands, his two feet touched the ground, and then he lost the ball, right? No. It's too quick, he never "secured the catch" and therefore you can't fumble it, because you never really secured possession. Possession did not occur with holding the ball and two feet down. It needs more than that... it needs this "football move."
Applying that to Dez's situation, he clearly had the ball in his hands (not moving). He then got two feet down. However, two feet down (or an elbow or knee for that matter), plus holding the ball still hasn't equaled a catch. It doesn't equal a catch until he makes a "football move."
So the defender can't tackle him yet, or touch him down by contact. He hasn't caught the ball yet, so he can't be touched down, not any more than a WR who is literally bobbling the football could be touched down. Dez has to "secure the catch" by making a "football move" before he can be ruled down.
Where the refs screwed this up was that they missed his football move -- Dez clearly dove towards the endzone. He did this after (1) grabbing the ball in the air, and (2) getting two feet down (maybe even 3 feet down). It still required (3) his "football move" though.
The refs saw it that Dez jumped up in the air, grabbed the ball, and then as he came down, his two feet touched the ground and then he fell to the ground all as part of the same motion. Thus, in their interpretation, it's no different than the WR whose two feet grazed the ground that I described above, if the ball is next jarred loose.
However, they were wrong. Dez's two feet touch the ground, and then he makes a dive for the endzone, springing almost without effort from when his two feet touch down, towards the endzone. It is a specific dive and stretch that you can see on the replay, and all during that time, he has secured the football. The dive and stretch with possession of the ball constitutes the (3) "football move," and at THAT point, he has secured the catch. Thus, when the ball is jarred loose when he hits the ground, it's either a fumble or down by contact (ground can't cause a fumble, etc).
They never got that far though. Under the rules, they needed to see a football move and they said they never saw one.
It's a stupid, convoluted rule, and it should be simplified so that it's much easier to see that what Dez did was a "football move."
But nonetheless your theory is incorrect under the existing rules.
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Holy crap
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Fuck Obama.
He won't weigh in because, well, the "oppressed" won't love him for it.
It is utterly amazing that we were still talking about that PI no-call at this stage last week.
Last Wednesday, it was still a big deal.
Anyone talking about Bryant getting the screw job today?
Nope.
In fact, they aren't even talking about the Packers at all really.
There is an odd silence.
And it is not just a coincidence.