Government and taxation

[boozeman]

I agree with most of this. The bunch of lazy fucks is smaller than it is made out to be IMO. I think the working poor make up a far bigger number. Those people put in their 40 per week and are miserable for the most part. It isn't right.

Sorry, disagree.

The work ethic and value system in this country has deteriorated in the past 20-30 years.

There were shit jobs back then too, but fewer. Now there are more, yet fewer people to fill them, mainly because people don't want to work for it if they can get it from the government.

It is almost 1:1 now between those who are receiving assistance versus those that are achieving 40 FT equivalents.

There is not much difference between a minimum wage job and getting welfare, in fact it is better in some cases because the economic impact of actually paying out of pocket for skyrocketing food prices is minimized.

Main reasons being the drastic shrinking of the value of wages due to horrific government and the debt-based central bank.

If the dollar actually had real value anymore, you would see a drastic difference.

 

[Cotton]

I don't want the Walton cunts or their cunt fucking company to do give away anything.

I want them to pay their workers a decent wage with decent benefits.

And yes, the cunts would still be unimaginably rich if they did so.

So, you want them to pay their front line employees what their supervisors make. So, then, the supervisor obviously have to make more than their subordinates, so their wages go up. Then the department manager's wages go up in turn. All the way up to the CEO of the company. Do you have any clue what impact that has not only on the company but the people buying the goods (expenses will get passed along) from that store?

But, the bigger and more important point is this. You are all about hating on big corporations, but if minimum wage is raised, who does it affect the most? The Walmarts of the world? Or does it more affect the mom and pops trying to stay in existence to compete with these evil greedy "cunts"?

 

[L.T. Fan]

Sorry, disagree.

The work ethic and value system in this country has deteriorated in the past 20-30 years.

There were shit jobs back then too, but fewer. Now there are more, yet fewer people to fill them, mainly because people don't want to work for it if they can get it from the government.

It is almost 1:1 now between those who are receiving assistance versus those that are achieving 40 FT equivalents.

Main reasons being the drastic shrinking of the value of wages due to horrific government and the debt-based central bank.

If the dollar actually had real value anymore, you would see a drastic difference.

This cant be true because Jiggy said you are ignorant if you believe this.

 

[Cotton]

I agree with most of this. The bunch of lazy fucks is smaller than it is made out to be IMO. I think the working poor make up a far bigger number. Those people put in their 40 per week and are miserable for the most part. It isn't right.

That's the good thing about a free enterprise system. If someone isn't happy with what they are doing then they can go find something else. Or, you know, like learn a trade or something and start their own damn business. I have a cousin that started in the grocery store business like 30 years ago when he was in high school. He wasn't happy as a sacker, so he, you know, worked hard to not have to be a sacker anymore. He is now the COO of a mid-sized grocery chain making well into the 6 figures.

 

[boozeman]

So, you want them to pay their front line employees what their supervisors make. So, then, the supervisor obviously have to make more than their subordinates, so their wages go up. Then the department manager's wages go up in turn. All the way up to the CEO of the company. Do you have any clue what impact that has not only on the company but the people buying the goods (expenses will get passed along) from that store?

But, the bigger and more important point is this. You are all about hating on big corporations, but if minimum wage is raised, who does it affect the most? The Walmarts of the world? Or does it more affect the mom and pops trying to stay in existence to compete with these evil greedy "cunts"?

All in all, it is vicious circle. Raise minimum wage, okay, they will just in turn raise the cost of goods, squeeze out more from the middle class and bleed the mom and pops dry.

There is not a simple solution.

But it ain't the greedy cunts doing it. Our corrupt and worthless governmental system is allowing it to happen by being in debt and having currency that means jack and shit.

 

[skidadl]

That's the good thing about a free enterprise system. If someone isn't happy with what they are doing then they can go find something else. Or, you know, like learn a trade or something and start their own damn business. I have a cousin that started in the grocery store business like 30 years ago when he was in high school. He wasn't happy as a sacker, so he, you know, worked hard to not have to be a sacker anymore. He is now the COO of a mid-sized grocery chain making well into the 6 figures.

Pssst! Whatever dood! I'm a thousandaire!

 

[Cotton]

All in all, it is vicious circle. Raise minimum wage, okay, they will just in turn raise the cost of goods, squeeze out more from the middle class and bleed the mom and pops dry.

There is not a simple solution.

But it ain't the greedy cunts doing it. Our corrupt and worthless governmental system is allowing it to happen by being in debt and having currency that means jack and shit.

I'll even argue that it's the big companies (outside of corruption obviously) that are keeping our economy afloat.

 

[boozeman]

I'll even argue that it's the big companies (outside of corruption obviously) that are keeping our economy afloat.

Easy to keep something afloat when you own it.

 

[L.T. Fan]

All in all, it is vicious circle. Raise minimum wage, okay, they will just in turn raise the cost of goods, squeeze out more from the middle class and bleed the mom and pops dry.

There is not a simple solution.

But it ain't the greedy cunts doing it. Our corrupt and worthless governmental system is allowing it to happen by being in debt and having currency that means jack and shit.

Government, specicically the federal reserve has virtually eradicated the economic system by completely controlling the marketplace with the complete control of interest rates to allow government to continue to borrow and fund programs that arent affordable.

 

[Cotton]

Pssst! Whatever dood! I'm a thousandaire!

And you should be applauded for going out and doing better for yourself. I know where you came from. I came from a similar situation. Granted, I created mine more than you but very similar situations, and we have both worked our fucking asses off to get ourselves out of dire situations. That's why when any snivels about anything even close to socialism I go high and right. It's possible to get out of bad situations, you just have to want to. And, since our society now lends itself to raising victims instead of championing success, people would rather play the "not my fault, I was born poor" card. Which is bullshit and frankly it pisses me the fuck off.

 

[Cotton]

Easy to keep something afloat when you own it.

Point being, if they didn't own it, the gov't would fuck it up.

 

[Smitty]

All in all, it is vicious circle. Raise minimum wage, okay, they will just in turn raise the cost of goods, squeeze out more from the middle class and bleed the mom and pops dry.

Yup.

The solution is increased production and efficiency. All the horseshit about wages, the wealth gap, unemployment rates, etc, are just stupid fucking talking points. None of those things drive the economy, they are merely indicators.

People act like the economy is a big mystery -- and yes, it is very complex and complicated -- but at the end of the day it comes down to some pretty basic principles. Our "wants" and "needs" remain pretty basic... food, shelter, clothing, etc. If these things exist in excess, they will be easy for everyone to access. Of course then there will be concerns about the ripple effect of prices dropping from demand, but at the end of the day, our goal as a civilization is to generate enough stuff with the least amount of effort.

So any economic policy needs to focus on what we can be doing to generate more stuff. Everything else will fall into place as it becomes affordable.

 

[L.T. Fan]

There was a time when deficit spending by the government was acceptable because it was all domestic borrowings. It didnt matter howmuch was owed because it was a debt to yourself. That has all changed with the advent of financing the longest war in US history which is financed by foriegn borrowing. Couple that with entitlement programs and the hole in the boat is larger than the bilge pump can handle. The ship has begun to sink folks.

 

[Smitty]

That has all changed with the advent of financing the longest war in US history which is financed by foriegn borrowing.

Which war is that? The one that has lasted half a century?

 

[L.T. Fan]

Which war is that? The one that has lasted half a century?

The wr on terror is the official designation.

 

[Smitty]

The wr on terror is the official designation.

Well we've been financing wars with borrowed money for a lot longer than the war on terror.

 

[Cotton]

Well we've been financing wars with borrowed money for a lot longer than the war on terror.

More domestically specific, the war on drugs.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Well we've been financing wars with borrowed money for a lot longer than the war on terror.

Not with foreign debt.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Sorry, disagree.

The work ethic and value system in this country has deteriorated in the past 20-30 years.

There were shit jobs back then too, but fewer. Now there are more, yet fewer people to fill them, mainly because people don't want to work for it if they can get it from the government.

It is almost 1:1 now between those who are receiving assistance versus those that are achieving 40 FT equivalents.

There is not much difference between a minimum wage job and getting welfare, in fact it is better in some cases because the economic impact of actually paying out of pocket for skyrocketing food prices is minimized.

Main reasons being the drastic shrinking of the value of wages due to horrific government and the debt-based central bank.

If the dollar actually had real value anymore, you would see a drastic difference.

There are more shit jobs now, but I think the cost of living is way outstripping low-end income. My dad had a shit job when he was my age and he was able to buy a house for us to live in. I'm still renting and my wife and I combine for 70k a year.

 

[skidadl]

There are more shit jobs now, but I think the cost of living is way outstripping low-end income. My dad had a shit job when he was my age and he was able to buy a house for us to live in. I'm still renting and my wife and I combine for 70k a year.

Why couldn't a guy in your position buy a decent house for 100-120k? A modest house is awesome to own. Especially when you are married with no kids.