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This, I don't get. If the determination is that it wasn't intentional, why any punishment? Players get stepped on all the time.

If, however, the determination is that it was deliberate, why was the penalty modified at all? Why is the fine more appropriate than a suspension?
That's the thing. It seems to be a judgment call as to weather it should be a fine or a suspension. So what makes one guys judgment better then the judgment of the guy who originally levied the penalty? And if that guys judgment is better then why not just have Ted Cottrell determine all fines and suspensions. Why even bother with the first part?
 

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Yeah, I'm sure Stafford was going to play lousy until he heard those fighting words.
At least he wasn't egregiously stupid by saying something like put it in 4-inch headlines. That quote sent us into a 15-year dry spell after winning two more Super Bowls.
 

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That's the thing. It seems to be a judgment call as to weather it should be a fine or a suspension. So what makes one guys judgment better then the judgment of the guy who originally levied the penalty? And if that guys judgment is better then why not just have Ted Cottrell determine all fines and suspensions. Why even bother with the first part?
Ray rice should've stepped on his fiancé. He'd be playing Sunday.
 

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I know we all are looking at the Lions and their passing attack as something to be afraid of but is it possible that Calvin Johnson isn't that great of a WR anymore? He is 29 years old. His numbers aren't great this year. He barely surpassed 1000 yards and 8 TDs. Now obviously he missed a few games but in years passed even with a few games missed he would have put up big numbers. I guess it's all relative but I look at Calvin and I kind of wonder if he is slowing down a little and losing some of that explosive ability that he used to have. When I watched that Packers game he just doesn't seem to have the same explosion that we use to see out of him.

I guess what I'm saying is I think this year Calvin Johnson has been supplanted as the best WR in the NFL. That could be by Dez Bryant or Antonio Brown. Hell at this point I'd say Odell Beckham is a more scary WR to face.

Calvin has burned us too much in the past to be too comfortable.
 

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This, I don't get. If the determination is that it wasn't intentional, why any punishment? Players get stepped on all the time.

If, however, the determination is that it was deliberate, why was the penalty modified at all? Why is the fine more appropriate than a suspension?
I don't get it either. I don't see how intentionally trying to hurt an opposing team's QB is a 70 thousand dollar fine. Seems like that should be a suspension even if you are treating it like a 1st time offense
 

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Cowboys won't be afraid of Ndamukong Suh
December, 31, 2014

By Todd Archer | ESPNDallas.com

IRVING, Texas -- There was a reason why Dallas Cowboys coach Jason Garrett did not get carried away on Monday when news of Ndamukong Suh's suspension broke.

Perhaps he knew the possibility the suspension could be overturned on appeal and the Detroit Lions defensive tackle would be eligible to play in Sunday’s wild-card playoff game at AT&T Stadium, which is what happened on Tuesday.

But that’s not likely either. He firmly believes the Cowboys need to focus solely on the Cowboys. It’s part of the nameless, faceless approach he has instilled each week.

There is no doubt the Suh is one of the best defensive players in the NFL. He is a four-time Pro Bowler and a three-time All Pro. There is no doubt he makes the Lions defense better.

But the Cowboys won’t fear his appearance in the lineup on Sunday.

The Cowboys have faced Suh three times in his career. According to the press box stats from those games, he has 12 tackles, two quarterback hurries, one tackle for loss and a half sack. The Cowboys have scored at least 30 points in all three games, although they have lost two of the meetings.

Suh has gone against different guards in all three meetings. He saw Brian Waters last year until Waters suffered a triceps injury and was replaced by Mackenzy Bernadeau. In 2011, he went against Bill Nagy, a seventh-round pick. In 2010, he had his best game against Leonard Davis -- eight tackles and a half sack.

In two of the three games the Cowboys ran for 113 and 134 yards as a team. They had just 62 yards on 26 carries in last year’s 31-30 loss, but DeMarco Murray did not play because of a knee injury. Tony Romo threw for 206 yards with 110 yards coming on touchdown throws to Terrance Williams (60) and Dez Bryant (50).

In the 2011 meeting the Cowboys blew a 27-3 lead. Romo was intercepted three times, but the Cowboys put up 434 yards and Romo had 331 yards through the air with three touchdowns. In 2010, Jon Kitna threw for only 147 yards but he threw three touchdown passes. He even had a 29-yard bootleg to seal the 35-19 win.

This Lions defense is not like those Lions defenses, but this Cowboys offense is not like those Cowboys offenses.

Two of the Cowboys’ three interior linemen, center Travis Frederick and guard Zack Martin, were named to the Pro Bowl, like Suh.

The Cowboys surely respect Suh and all that he can do and all that he means to the rest of their unit. But they will not be scared of him. They weren't afraid of J.J. Watt. They weren't afraid of the Seattle Seahawks.

In fact, they might enjoy the fact that he is playing.
 

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This, I don't get. If the determination is that it wasn't intentional, why any punishment? Players get stepped on all the time.

If, however, the determination is that it was deliberate, why was the penalty modified at all? Why is the fine more appropriate than a suspension?
I agree. It ought to be like instant replay ; if there's sufficient evidence to overturn the initial ruling, fine. But if not, then leave it as is.
 

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:lol

It's like he thinks everyone is stupid.
 

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Well, would he be wrong?

Apparently, they bought that lame ass excuse so the people he made his case to must be stupid.
I don't think they bought that excuse otherwise there wouldn't have been a $70,000.00 fine. I think they looked at it and said "first time offenses shouldn't result in a suspension." Of course my problem with that is, are we saying a first time offense can never end in a suspension? If that's the case what if Suh jumped and broke Rodgers ankle. Is that not suspendable either?
 

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Ted Cottrell doesn’t believe Suh didn’t feel Rodgers’s leg

Posted by Michael David Smith on December 30, 2014, 8:02 PM EST

Despite overturning Ndamukong Suh’s one-game suspension for stepping on the leg of Aaron Rodgers, hearing officer Ted Cottrell is not convinced that Suh was innocent.

In a letter to Suh explaining the decision to allow Suh to play on Sunday but fine him $70,000, a copy of which PFT has obtained, Cottrell makes clear that he believes Suh knew he was standing on Rodgers’s leg.

“Although I accept that your feet may have been cold on a late December day in Green Bay, it is difficult for me to believe that you did not feel Aaron Rodgers’ leg under you as you stepped on him twice,” Cottrell wrote. “While you may not have consciously intended to cause injury to the opposing player that you stepped on, I nonetheless believe that you could have avoided—and had the responsibility to avoid—making such dangerous contact with your opponent’s leg—twice. Your conduct was a clear violation of the Playing Rules and was outside the normal course of the game of football. It must be emphasized that illegal acts that jeopardize the safety of other players, as was certainly the case here, will not be tolerated in this League.”

So why did Cottrell overturn the suspension? Because he was swayed not only by speaking directly to Suh but by hearing from Suh’s representatives and from the Lions, who felt that the entire franchise would be punished if one of its best players was barred from a playoff game.

“Several of your representatives, including personnel from the Lions, argued that the impact of your suspension would have a devastating effect on you, your teammates and coaches, as well as Lions fans,” Cottrell wrote. :wtf

Ultimately, Cottrell seems to believe that Suh is a good man who has made mistakes, not a dirty player who sets out to injure his opponents.

“I think you were sincere when you said that you respect the game, and have listened to the advice of your coaches, as well as that of Troy Vincent during his visit with you in the offseason,” Cottrell wrote. “Based on your representations, I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt that you did not intend to injure your opponent. However, the seriousness of this offense, the potential for injury, and my conclusion that it was avoidable, demands substantial discipline. For those reasons, I am reducing your one game suspension without pay to a fine in the amount of $70,000.”

That’s a decision that will satisfy Suh, the Lions and Lions fans. Fans of many other teams — especially the Cowboys — won’t be so pleased that Suh is playing on Sunday.
 

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Several of your representatives, including personnel from the Lions, argued that the impact of your suspension would have a devastating effect on you, your teammates and coaches, as well as Lions fans,” Cottrell wrote.
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Is this not the very reason for the suspension in the first place? To say that no one player is above the rules for ALL players? FFS...
 

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That's a BS piece of reasoning for reducing a fine or a suspension of any sort. That hearing dude ought to be fired for explanations like that. That's like a judge telling a robber, "We know that putting you in jail for years might be a hardship to all those complicit in the robbery with you so we're just gonna fine you and set you free." Maybe hyperbole, but it's similar. Moron.
 

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so suspend him for a game next year in the regular season! its what the NBA has done before
 

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