Rush Limbaugh: James Bond can't be black like Idris Elba!

[fortsbest]

Well, there has only been one Scottish actor who has played James Bond, so there is that.

A Scottish accent you can fake. Being white if you are black?

 

[Carl]

A Scottish accent you can fake. Being white if you are black?

Who tried to fake a Scottish accent?

 

[Clay_Allison]

I think this just shows how badly Hollywood is in need of new ideas. We have to fight over "iconic characters" instead of making new ones. Bruce Willis got to make his name as John McClane. He didn't have to be the 5th actor since Humphrey Bogart to play Philip Marlowe.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Who tried to fake a Scottish accent?

Lots of people, me for one, but he means the Scottish guy faked an English accent to play James Bond.

 

[Deuce]

They could easily make Elba Bond if the studio is willing to satisfy the conspiracy theorist...


[h=1]Conspiracy Theory – There’s more than one Bond[/h]Darryn Bonthuys
February 8, 2013



Bond. James Bond. He’s been knocking heads and banging his way throughout history since 1962, foiling schemes ranging from communism-based super-weapons through to new age Illuminati quests for world domination. The man has been around, is what I’m saying.

But here’s the rub. Barring the recent Daniel Craig films, each installment in the Bond franchise is seen as chronological canon. That means that Bond did indeed fight his way from the cold war through to whatever shenanigans were present in Die another day. So how the hell has he maintained his youthful vigor and ability to belt out one-liners at the right moment? The Hugh Hefner diet? Nope, it’s a far more simple explanation. Because there’s more than one Bond.

So what if James Bond was not a person, but a code-name? An identity used for elite agents as each predecessor retires or is killed in action? In a way, it makes sense. Just look at Q, M and Felix Leiter, possibly the american alternative of that idea.

That could explain why Bond is always in his prime (Most of the time, anyway). Or why his personality changes so much between agents. Look at the facts. Sean Connery was a hard man with little class and less patience for any threats to the UK, while Roger Moore was a suaver operative with a campy nature for gadgets. Or how the intensity of Dalton is matched only by the duty-bound nature of Brosnan and smug attitude.

What about George Lazenby then? Hell, he only popped up for one underrated movie, but it ended in tragedy when his wife was murdered on his wedding day. That’s enough to break the resolve of any man, and force him into retirement. An act that had Connery returning to avenge the assault on a fellow agent that was perpetrated by SPECTRE and Blofeld.

And there’s a reason why this theory actually makes the franchise better. Because it gives it a sense of actual danger in a lethal world, one where past accomplishments aren’t worth a damn when a replacement is being groomed to take over from you.

And considering how much damage the need for more gadgets and ludicrous plots did to the franchise, it’s a balance that evens things out. Is it a full-proof theory? Probably not, becaue a die-hard fan could find holes in it (DEY ALL LIKE MARTINI’S!), but it is a fun one with a solid premise.

 

[dallen]

Other than Connery, has there been another Scottish Bond?

 

[Deuce]

Other than Connery, has there been another Scottish Bond?

No.

Lazenby was an Aussie, Moore was English, Dalton was Welsh, Brosnan was Irish, Daniel Craig is English...and none of them even attempted a Scottish accent.

 

[fortsbest]

They could easily make Elba Bond if the studio is willing to satisfy the conspiracy theorist...


[h=1]Conspiracy Theory – There’s more than one Bond[/h]Darryn Bonthuys
February 8, 2013



Bond. James Bond. He’s been knocking heads and banging his way throughout history since 1962, foiling schemes ranging from communism-based super-weapons through to new age Illuminati quests for world domination. The man has been around, is what I’m saying.

But here’s the rub. Barring the recent Daniel Craig films, each installment in the Bond franchise is seen as chronological canon. That means that Bond did indeed fight his way from the cold war through to whatever shenanigans were present in Die another day. So how the hell has he maintained his youthful vigor and ability to belt out one-liners at the right moment? The Hugh Hefner diet? Nope, it’s a far more simple explanation. Because there’s more than one Bond.

So what if James Bond was not a person, but a code-name? An identity used for elite agents as each predecessor retires or is killed in action? In a way, it makes sense. Just look at Q, M and Felix Leiter, possibly the american alternative of that idea.

That could explain why Bond is always in his prime (Most of the time, anyway). Or why his personality changes so much between agents. Look at the facts. Sean Connery was a hard man with little class and less patience for any threats to the UK, while Roger Moore was a suaver operative with a campy nature for gadgets. Or how the intensity of Dalton is matched only by the duty-bound nature of Brosnan and smug attitude.

What about George Lazenby then? Hell, he only popped up for one underrated movie, but it ended in tragedy when his wife was murdered on his wedding day. That’s enough to break the resolve of any man, and force him into retirement. An act that had Connery returning to avenge the assault on a fellow agent that was perpetrated by SPECTRE and Blofeld.

And there’s a reason why this theory actually makes the franchise better. Because it gives it a sense of actual danger in a lethal world, one where past accomplishments aren’t worth a damn when a replacement is being groomed to take over from you.

And considering how much damage the need for more gadgets and ludicrous plots did to the franchise, it’s a balance that evens things out. Is it a full-proof theory? Probably not, becaue a die-hard fan could find holes in it (DEY ALL LIKE MARTINI’S!), but it is a fun one with a solid premise.

Uh, no.

 

[fortsbest]

I think this just shows how badly Hollywood is in need of new ideas. We have to fight over "iconic characters" instead of making new ones. Bruce Willis got to make his name as John McClane. He didn't have to be the 5th actor since Humphrey Bogart to play Philip Marlowe.

Absolutely. I'm so getting tired of the 3rd or 4th remake of movies. Or alterations of previous ones just to make things different. New ideas people, hell, new books are written every day that have great ideas in them. Buy more rights and make them into great flicks. Geez.

 

[Deuce]

Uh, no.

Why not? Half the movies are original pieces and half the movies that are titled after books are completely different. Maybe 15% of all the Bond movies are correct with the Bond cannon.

As for the theory, I think it would be cool. Someone a few years ago talked about the theory and said it would be great if they brought back one of the older ones to be a retired Bond turned rogue villain. Dalton would be great at that and it would make for a better plot than half the movies in the franchise.

 

[Jiggyfly]

I realize that Sony and others think they are being more inclusive or bantying about the equality thing, but I do have a problem with just all of a sudden making a familiar character black just to do what? Make people think your doing something to promote equality? Really, anyone can see it for what it is. How about you leave a character alone that has been a major movie character for years. If your goal is to somehow show you aren't racist or whatever the intent is here, how about creating a black character that is as desirable to see as this one is. That doesn't mean I'm against a black person being an iconic character. The one I think Marvel got right is the way Sam Wilson becomes Captain America. It fits in the story line they created. I'm not sure about the new Thor being a woman thing as I haven't read it, but I think that's nonsense too. Thor isn't a spirit that inhabits bodies, he is Odin's "son". So all this changing of characters from white to black or man to woman just to satisfy a small portion of the world that likely doesn't pay attention anyway is pissing me off.
Jiggy, do you watch the Bond movies and enjoy them? If so, while watching them did you evBr say Bond should be a black guy based on the character's history? Or would you have thought, "It would be cool if they made a movie with a black character as neat as Bond?"

And oh yes, I forgot about Rhodey becoming Iron Man too. That worked as well.

If they had tried to make somebody like Denzel James Bond I would have a huge problem, but since its Elba I think its the perfect fit.

He fits the Bond Persona perfectly and he is a hot actor who is actually very good.

Once they went with Craig who was blond I think the following the Icon of Bond went out the window.

I never thought a character should be a certain color because at the end of the day these are fictional characters and stories get changed all the time to fit the movie.

And yes I have seen every Bond flick and have read several of the books, in my mind Connery will always be the best bond but I really like what Craig has done with the character.

I really doubt this is some kind of statement by Sony judging from there emails they don't come of as particularly progressive.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Why not? Half the movies are original pieces and half the movies that are titled after books are completely different. Maybe 15% of all the Bond movies are correct with the Bond cannon.

As for the theory, I think it would be cool. Someone a few years ago talked about the theory and said it would be great if they brought back one of the older ones to be a retired Bond turned rogue villain. Dalton would be great at that and it would make for a better plot than half the movies in the franchise.

It actually makes perfect sense that Bond is a code name more than a specific person and I would love the idea you have here.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Jimmy Bomb

 

[Deuce]

And yes I have seen every Bond flick and have read several of the books, in my mind Connery will always be the best bond but I really like what Craig has done with the character.

I agree, Connery was the complete package but Craig has been near flawless in his 3. The next one sounds great and I'm hoping it's basically a remake of On Her Majesty's Secret Service with just a new title.

 

[Carl]

No.

Lazenby was an Aussie, Moore was English, Dalton was Welsh, Brosnan was Irish, Daniel Craig is English...and none of them even attempted a Scottish accent.

I think this is what I wrote twice yesterday, in some non-legible way. Anyway, I am in the minority, but Roger Moore to me was the best Bond.

 

[fortsbest]

I have always been a Connery fan as well, but the more I watch the Craig versions the more I like him. These latest ones have shifted from some of the Camp that older Bonds had to a more Dark Knight approach in terms of seriousness. The last one with Benicio as the bad guy brought a little of the odd humor back and according to Craig, the next may have even more of the old style to it.
It only seems to fit with Bond as a code name because there have been 23 movies over 50 years so the actors have been different; just like that Batman movies. James Bond is James Bond, his code name is 007. When he dies, or retires you could have another 007. Or, if, as you suggest, they write a story line where Bond gets hurt, or dies, or retires then they use Idris as a stand in under his name, they might could make that work, but you would think then all the bad guys who have dealt with and survived would go, "uh, Bond is white dude?" It doesn't sound at all like that is the suggestion from the original article. They just want to take him and say, "Ok people, Bond is now a black guy!. I love how we take the stupidest of things and make an ongoing thread about it.

Ok next thread is "Batman or superman, Which is DC's greatest hero?"

 

[Clay_Allison]

Ok next thread is "Batman or superman, Which is DC's greatest hero?"

And which one needs to be remade as a fat tranny from Jamaica.

 

[fortsbest]

And which one needs to be remade as a fat tranny from Jamaica.

 

[Deuce]

Although she's a minor character, I didn't see any uproar when Moneypenny was rebooted as a black chick in the last movie.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Although she's a minor character, I didn't see any uproar when Moneypenny was rebooted as a black chick in the last movie.