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Clay_Allison

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Let's keep in mind that Leach was the one who brought the lawsuit. There weren't lawyers involved until Leach made the move. At that point, yes, it was a battle and Leach lost at every single level. What dumbass brings a lawsuit againt their employer forcing them to let them perform their duties? haha, exactly when does that work out?



Ruffin was the safe hire. I love/loved Ruffin. He is a great man. I wouldn't have been pissed with him at all. As far as massive PR flop goes - ahahaha you Leachers are so grandiose...there was no massive flop. There was a very strong group of Leachers in Lubbock (not exactly massive, eh?) and those turds eventually died out. There is still a small little cult that cries but mostly it is gone. The stadium is selling more tickets than ever and support is higher than ever.
He sued because they didn't pay him. It's not like he had anything to lose by suing for the money he was owed in his contract. Like, seriously, if my boss were like "you're fired and I'm going to fuck you out of your paycheck for the last 2 weeks" would you be like "You're the one who brought small claims into this!"

Ruffin was the one guy who brought an effective defense to TTU. All of Leach's tenure I bitched to my TTU family* that they only played offense and didn't give a f*ck about D.

I supported Tubs at first because I thought he would bring D as well, but he had to have a different DC every fucking year.

*the only college football game I've ever been to was a TTU game on my birthday when I was 11, I was the only one who wanted to stay despite going to the game with 4 alums, because it was 20 fucking degrees and my mom, grandfather, uncle and aunt had enough. Tech won, coming from behind, while we were on our way back from Lubbock back to Big Spring.
 

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He sued because they didn't pay him. It's not like he had anything to lose by suing for the money he was owed in his contract. Like, seriously, if my boss were like "you're fired and I'm going to fuck you out of your paycheck for the last 2 weeks" would you be like "You're the one who brought small claims into this!"

Ruffin was the one guy who brought an effective defense to TTU. All of Leach's tenure I bitched to my TTU family* that they only played offense and didn't give a f*ck about D.

I supported Tubs at first because I thought he would bring D as well, but he had to have a different DC every fucking year.

*the only college football game I've ever been to was a TTU game on my birthday when I was 11, I was the only one who wanted to stay despite going to the game with 4 alums, because it was 20 fucking degrees and my mom, grandfather, uncle and aunt had enough. Tech won, coming from behind, while we were on our way back from Lubbock back to Big Spring.
Naw bro, Leach sued them when he got suspended. That is what people are missing. When leach refused to work with people and come to an agreement they suspended him for the bowl game. Pretty much as soon as he sued he was fired. That's the point I was making. If you sue your boss for suspending you fences aren't going to be mended. Your days are numbered even more than they were when things were tense.
 

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Naw bro, Leach sued them when he got suspended. That is what people are missing. When leach refused to work with people and come to an agreement they suspended him for the bowl game. Pretty much as soon as he sued he was fired. That's the point I was making. If you sue your boss for suspending you fences aren't going to be mended. Your days are numbered even more than they were when things were tense.
So he was terminated for exercising a legally protected right? Sounds like wrongful termination to me...
 

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So he was terminated for exercising a legally protected right? Sounds like wrongful termination to me...
Not exactly. I'm sure you can read up on all of the cases that Leach has lost though.

Leach became insubordinate and rubbed everyone the wrong way for a couple of years. It got to the point that people wanted him gone. When the Adam James thing happened he was asked to sign something saying he wouldn't do what he did again, he wouldn't punish injured players and he would be a good boy moving forward. He literally told his boss to F-OFF. Those were the words he used. Then he was begged to cooperate. He refused. Then he was suspended for the bowl game. He responded with more hate and filed an injunction so he could coach in a bowl game. He was fired as soon as it was apparent that they would never work the problem out. Now, I know you are a lawyer and so is Mike Leach but he was never going to come back from all of that. There is no way that the relationship would be repaired.

The thing that made Leach successful is the same thing that ruined him. The man is very very stubborn and prideful. I'm talking about the highest order of stubbornness. He was never going to change anything or compromise. When things go sour people like that are going to be incredibly difficult to work with. Leach felt like he could do whatever he wanted and not one person could say anything about it. His ego grew to be too hard to handle.
 

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Not exactly. I'm sure you can read up on all of the cases that Leach has lost though.

Leach became insubordinate and rubbed everyone the wrong way for a couple of years. It got to the point that people wanted him gone. When the Adam James thing happened he was asked to sign something saying he wouldn't do what he did again, he wouldn't punish injured players and he would be a good boy moving forward. He literally told his boss to F-OFF. Those were the words he used. Then he was begged to cooperate. He refused. Then he was suspended for the bowl game. He responded with more hate and filed an injunction so he could coach in a bowl game. He was fired as soon as it was apparent that they would never work the problem out. Now, I know you are a lawyer and so is Mike Leach but he was never going to come back from all of that. There is no way that the relationship would be repaired.

The thing that made Leach successful is the same thing that ruined him. The man is very very stubborn and prideful. I'm talking about the highest order of stubbornness. He was never going to change anything or compromise. When things go sour people like that are going to be incredibly difficult to work with. Leach felt like he could do whatever he wanted and not one person could say anything about it. His ego grew to be too hard to handle.
Fact is, he lost the case due to an unprecedented use of sovereign immunity, not on the merits. I agree, the guy's weird and probably an asshole, but he was owed what he was owed and the university used a special governmental power to beat him out of it, they didn't defend their 'fired for cause' stand on the situation.

He also wasn't begged to cooperate. They demanded he sign a letter incriminating himself and he refused.
 

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Fact is, he lost the case due to an unprecedented use of sovereign immunity, not on the merits. I agree, the guy's weird and probably an asshole, but he was owed what he was owed and the university used a special governmental power to beat him out of it, they didn't defend their 'fired for cause' stand on the situation.
Their argument was that he didn't fulfill his contract. His contract stated that he would work within the athletic department and university. He told Hance to go f-himself. He was fired. That is what happens to everyone that tells their boss that. That happened before he had fulfilled the year that was required. That is the way that it works in the real world. If you get fired before your bonus then you don't get your bonus. It happens everyday. Do you really think that people should get paid for a contract that they did not complete?

I think I understand sovereign immunity more than any of you when it comes to Lubbock county. I was wrong more than Leach in that place with something that became a nation scandal as well. I couldn't sue the county, state or person as a state/county employee. You know what I did with myself? I immediately moved on with life and have been perfectly happy. I never wrote a book about it or continued to tie up the judicial system.

He also wasn't begged to cooperate. They demanded he sign a letter incriminating himself and he refused.
Everyone wanted to work it out. He was even asked to write his own letter. That is a statement from his own lawyer. His lawyer was even surprised that leach didn't want to work it out or work through it.
 

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He was asked to sign a letter saying he would never do again something he never did to begin with. But, according to skidadl that makes him a bad person. Laughable.
 

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He was asked to sign a letter saying he would never do again something he never did to begin with. But, according to skidadl that makes him a bad person. Laughable.
That is why I feel that you aren't reasonable about this. Instead of arguing point by point you turn the tables and say something that I didn't say. Is that what I said? Help me out here.

I honestly don't understand why it is that you think he can tell his boss to go f-himself and be in good graces. Any chance you want to address that? That is what happened when the conversation took place about the letter.
 

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That is why I feel that you aren't reasonable about this. Instead of arguing point by point you turn the tables and say something that I didn't say. Is that what I said? Help me out here.

I honestly don't understand why it is that you think he can tell his boss to go f-himself and be in good graces. Any chance you want to address that? That is what happened when the conversation took place about the letter.
Yeah, he refused to sign something that said he wouldn't do something he never did to begin with. Totally like unreasonable and stuff.
 

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Yeah, he refused to sign something that said he wouldn't do something he never did to begin with. Totally like unreasonable and stuff.
Clearly you aren't understanding what I said.
 

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Clearly you aren't understanding what I said.
Yeah, you said he told his boss to fuck off. And, what really happened was he just refused to sign a lie.
 

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1. Had Leach's ego outgrown his position? Do you dispute that?

2. Did he say go f-yourself to his boss? Do you dispute that?


You can fill in the blanks between Jan-Dec of 2009 however you want. If those two things occurred then he was on his way out no matter what. It was a matter of time. I don't care where you coach you are going down the path of leaving soon when those things happen.
 

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1. Had Leach's ego outgrown his position? Do you dispute that?

2. Did he say go f-yourself to his boss? Do you dispute that?


You can fill in the blanks between Jan-Dec of 2009 however you want. If those two things occurred then he was on his way out no matter what. It was a matter of time. I don't care where you coach you are going down the path of leaving soon when those things happen.
1. I think probably so. But, Hance was just as bad or worse.

2. If you think refusing to sign a lie was telling his bosses to go fuck thermselves, then I guess so.
 

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This is going to be really funny. The entire crux of your argument concerning the letter is very very hilarious. As I've said many many times Leach was simply asked to comply. He was even given the opportunity to write his own letter or come up with something with his lawyer to address the public mess that was going on. The letter never EVER was forcing him to admit guilt. You clearly have never read the letter, which is really sad because you have been crying about this forever. She here's is your damn letter:

Dear Coach Leach,

As you know, we have been conducting an inquiry into allegations by a
student athlete that your treatment of him, subsequent to his being
diagnosed with a mild concussion, may have been injurious to his health
and served no medical and/or educational purposes. Texas Tech takes
these allegations very seriously. In addition to being unacceptable, if
proven, these allegations constitute a breach of your employment
contract.

So that we can carry out an inquiry that takes into account the safety of
our student athletes and in addition, that is fair to the students,
yourself, and the university, we have determined that you must abide by
the following guidelines from this day forward:

1. All practices and other team meetings will be monitored by the
athletic director or his representative. (Crossed out with the initials GB
beside it.)

2. Any player claiming an injury will be examined by a physician and
cleared in writing prior to practicing or playing. Decisions regarding
whether an injury warrants suspension from practice and/or play will be
determined by a physician without pressure from you or your staff.

3. You must recognize that the players you are working with are student
athletes and that you have an obligation to treat them with respect and
further to conduct yourself in a manner consistent with your position as
an instructor of students.

4. You must at all times assure the fair and responsible treatment of
student athletes in relation to their health, welfare, and discipline, and
if you are not doing so, you must immediately cease any actions not in
compliance with this provision of your contract.

5. There will be no retaliation against any student who has suffered an
injury.


Again, these allegations are serious, and should they be substantiated
will result in disciplinary action ranging from public or private
reprimand, monetary fines or adjustments in compensation, adjustments
in the term of this contract, up to termination.

Sincerely,
Guy Bailey
President


BAM! Sign the damn thing so everyone knows the you are absolutely against any mistreatment of players. The university saves a little face, can release a statement and life can move on.

Do you see anywhere in the letter that says he must admit guilt of wrongdoing?
 

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Iamtdg is going all Schmitt in their defense of Leach.:lol

And are we really having this debate again it seems to crop up every 3 months and Skid owns Iamtdg once again.
 

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Ddue, I have read the letter, and every damn bit of it would have been an implication that he had actually done any of that before. Proves nothing.
 

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Ddue, I have read the letter, and every damn bit of it would have been an implication that he had actually done any of that before. Proves nothing.
I thought that you said the letter was asking him to admit something that he didn't do. In fact, I'm sure you have said that many times. Now that the letter is here for all to read can you or anyone else point me to the part of the letter that is forcing Leach to admit guilt?
 

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That letter does not have lies in it...it has allegations and in no way is there an admission of guilt.
 
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