LOL @ the Redskins

[1bigfan13]

Regarding RGIII, I still think the Redskins are making a mistake by not using him like the Shanahans used him in 2012.

During the preseason I said that if you're going to have him as your QB you have to let him play that style because that's his strength. he's not a pocket passer.

You have to turn him loose like Seattle does Wilson and just hope he's learned how to protect himself.

IMO, it's a no-lose situation. Right now he's failing as a pocket passer so you might as well let him play like he did at Baylor and in 2012.

If he gets hurt, so what. I say "so what" because if they strictly use him as a pocket passer he'll continue to fail and they're moving on from him anyway.

So let him run the read option and hope for the best.

 

[1bigfan13]

I said from the start that I didn't think Griffin would have a successful NFL career because of his style of play. It invites injury and he got by in college with instincts rather than learning to read defenses. Couple that with an inadequate time in college to learn the game you have a constant train wreck waiting to happen. Instinctive games wont fly in the NFL.

I've heard a few times that neither Griffin or Cam Newton had playbooks in college. So that's part of the problem. Steep learning curves.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I've heard a few times that neither Griffin or Cam Newton had playbooks in college. So that's part of the problem. Steep learning curves.

That and not enough emphasis on defensive reads. That's primarily the reason I was opposed to going after Manziel. All are great athletes but they didn't learn enough about the game to be successful in the pros. It takes more than athleticism to be a successful NFL QB.

 

[GForce78NJ]

That and not enough emphasis on defensive reads. That's primarily the reason I was opposed to going after Manziel. All are great athletes but they didn't learn enough about the game to be successful in the pros. It takes more than athleticism to be a successful NFL QB.

same thing will happen with Winston and Mariota. Mariota may have success if he goes to the right type of offense (Chip Kelly), but I don't see how Winston could possibly work in the NFL. Huge arm, dumb as rocks. These supreme athletes are WAY overvalued for where they are being drafted. I wouldn't touch either

 

[Carp]

Winston is in a real offense though. His is closer to an NFL offense anyways.

 

[GForce78NJ]

Winston is in a real offense though. His is closer to an NFL offense anyways.

even with a more pro-style offense of florida state, he's been exposed over and over again. He is a great talent, but all of these QB's are. I just don't see Jameis Winston ever being a game manager. It's a lot harder to come from behind in the NFL than it is the NCAA, and it seems like Florida State always starts out sluggish this year

 

[Carp]

even with a more pro-style offense of florida state, he's been exposed over and over again. He is a great talent, but all of these QB's are. I just don't see Jameis Winston ever being a game manager. It's a lot harder to come from behind in the NFL than it is the NCAA, and it seems like Florida State always starts out sluggish this year

Winston is better than I thought he was. If not for the off the field stuff I think he is the clear cut #1 pick overall. He has been exposed, but he has also has won every game too. Something to be said for that.

 

[Deuce]

Winston is better than I thought he was. If not for the off the field stuff I think he is the clear cut #1 pick overall. He has been exposed, but he has also has won every game too. Something to be said for that.

He's made some really poor decisions in games this year. I don't remember him forcing balls into coverage nearly as much last year and it's hurt their O big time. Half the reason they have they large halftime deficits are because of him.

 

[Carp]

He's made some really poor decisions in games this year. I don't remember him forcing balls into coverage nearly as much last year and it's hurt their O big time. Half the reason they have they large halftime deficits are because of him.

I don't think he is very much to blame for their slow start, their D always seems to take a long time to figure out how to stop the opposing offense. Much like Saturday.

 

[Simpleton]

Regarding RGIII, I still think the Redskins are making a mistake by not using him like the Shanahans used him in 2012.

During the preseason I said that if you're going to have him as your QB you have to let him play that style because that's his strength. he's not a pocket passer.

You have to turn him loose like Seattle does Wilson and just hope he's learned how to protect himself.

IMO, it's a no-lose situation. Right now he's failing as a pocket passer so you might as well let him play like he did at Baylor and in 2012.

If he gets hurt, so what. I say "so what" because if they strictly use him as a pocket passer he'll continue to fail and they're moving on from him anyway.

So let him run the read option and hope for the best.

Alot of what made that scheme work was the Shannahan's expertise with the zone blocking scheme while Gruden prefers a man blocking scheme with bigger, mauler types. Griffin also doesn't have the same juice he had as a rookie, I said at the time that once the hits pile up his 10 yard runs would turn into 8 yard runs, 6 to 4, etc. Of course the rest of the league has caught up to the read-option stuff and is more effective at stopping it, evidenced by how Seattle and San Francisco have limited their use of it.

Basically, that season was a fluke, flash in the pan.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

Alot of what made that scheme work was the Shannahan's expertise with the zone blocking scheme while Gruden prefers a man blocking scheme with bigger, mauler types. Griffin also doesn't have the same juice he had as a rookie, I said at the time that once the hits pile up his 10 yard runs would turn into 8 yard runs, 6 to 4, etc. Of course the rest of the league has caught up to the read-option stuff and is more effective at stopping it, evidenced by how Seattle and San Francisco have limited their use of it.

Basically, that season was a fluke, flash in the pan.

This is why one can't trust zone read option QBs. If you don't know how to read and diagnose defenses and coverage schemes, they'll adjust to you much faster than you'll adjust to them.

 

[Cotton]

PFT: DeSean Jackson takes a shot at his team, apparently

PFT: DeSean Jackson takes a shot at his team, apparently

DeSean Jackson takes a shot at his team, apparently

Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2014, 10:06 AM EST

After Washington used two weeks of preparation to lose by 20 points to the previously one-win Buccaneers, quarterback Robert Griffin III opted not to mimic Peyton Manning’s “I stunk today” approach with the media. Instead, Griffin basically said, “If everyone else stinks, I stink, too.”

Here’s what Griffin actually said: “It takes 11 men. It doesn’t take one guy. That’s proven. The great QBs — the Peytons and Aaron Rodgers. They don’t play well if their guys don’t play well. They don’t. We need everybody. I need every one of those guys in that locker room. And I know they’re looking at me saying the same thing.”

Teammate DeSean Jackson opted to articulate that sentiment far more concisely. Jackson posted the following image on his Instagram page: “You can’t do epic sh-t with basic people.” He linked to the message via Twitter, saying “this how I’m feeling today.”

It’s a bit surprising that it has taken this long for Jackson to sound off. But if the quarterback is going to indirectly call out everyone around him and not publicly take sole blame for the struggles of the team, the receiver who only a week ago was being praised for supporting the quarterback has a license to throw shade indiscriminately.

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The dysfunction is bad for that team right now.

 

[1bigfan13]

Another thing that I just remembered is that RGIII and his dad were pretty adamant that RGIII be used as a pocket passer. They'd probably push back on the idea of him running a read-option heavy offense.

 

[UncleMilti]

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 03:48 PM
The Bucs are the bottom of the barrel in pass defense and points allowed. If we eek out a win with a score like 17-14, I will be more upset and pessimistic about our future than if we were to lose 41-38. We're not making the playoffs this year, and if our defense stinks up the joint I can be optimistic such failure will hasten Hazlett's long overdue departure. What I won't be able to stomach is Griffin playing just well enough to beat a lamentable defense that average QBs have been thrashing to the tune of 30 pts/game.
TB is giving up a fraction over 30 points a game....on average. Really.
So if RG3 were a middle of the road average QB, he should still be able to drop over 300 yards and 30 points this Sunday.
We already know we need 4 new OL and new safeties. The big question is at QB. Humiliating a bad D is what good and great QBs do. It's what RG3 is more than capable of, and it may be just what he needs to get his confidence back and win over the locker room.
A Jason Campbellesque victory of squeaking ahead with barely 200 yards passing will just raise more questions while lowering our draft position. Call me greedy, but I don't want that. Jordan Reed is healthy, and we've got arguably the best WR group in football. We need to have flashbacks to 2012 opener against the Saints. Scoring anything less than 30 points on offense will be a disappointment, regardless of whether the final result is W or L.
Edited by Riggo-toni, 14 November 2014 - 03:50 PM.

 

[Cotton]

And in all actuality they were only able to score 7 points against that terrible defense.

 

[Cotton]

 

[1bigfan13]

Damn, that was a "stay down, bitch" statement.

 

[Simpleton]

Arguably the best WR group in football he says.

 

[UncleMilti]

Hopefully the team backbiting is so good that they fold up for us the last game of the season.

Actually, I hope that little fuckface McCoy is starting and we beat the shit out of him this time.

 

[1bigfan13]

I'm reading through Twitter and see that Gruden laid into RGIII pretty good.