Just CHILL: Draft strategy/trade remains puzzling even to Cowboys' scouts

[Cowboysrock55]

My problem is, if he is not a fit for the system, then why is he in the top 10 of your draft board? Complete disorganization

Our draft board was complete shit in the first place like many of us have discussed. Beyond that there is apparently very little communication between the final decision maker and the scouting department.

 

[L.T. Fan]

The problem is if your board looks like this Floyd, Pugh, Frederick and you decide that Floyd doesn't fit your defense what do you do at 18? You can either stay put and take Pugh or you can move down and get Frederick and Terrance Williams. Should we have gotten more in the trade down? Of course. That doesn't necessarily mean the trade down was bad. In my scenario the trade down was absolutely the correct move even if you were getting less value then the trade chart says. My real problem has to do with the Cowboys draft board which seems to be so small that it forces us to absolutely trade down too often. When you don't rate guys like Sylvester Williams, Werner and Matt Elam. Are these guys even on our board? I mean why do we have guys like Escobar as the 23 best prospect or so in the draft? If this is seriously what our draft board looks like then in my opinion we may need to garbage the whole scouting department. Our scouting director is a fossil who was here during the really horrible years. I'm starting to wonder the scouting department isn't a serious problem.

That"s pretty much my position as well. If the OL was to get the first pick then it almost forced you to trade down. That apparently was the best position trade they could get so they pulled the trigger on the player of choice. Academically they may have been able to get their man a little later but obviously they couldn't find a lower trade position.

 

[Donpingon]

I find it hard to believe - given our recent history of atrocious drafting - that our board should be sacrosanct. How do you not have Matt Elam on your board (in light of a sore need for a S) yet a team like the Ravens grabs him in the first.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I find it hard to believe - given our recent history of atrocious drafting - that our board should be sacrosanct. How do you not have Matt Elam on your board (in light of a sore need for a S) yet a team like the Ravens grabs him in the first.

That's my thing. If I was GM of an NFL team I'd probably have one of the biggest draft boards in the NFL. Why the hell not rate a player on your board at all? I can understand knocking a guy down a few rounds if you really hate his personality but how do you just point to a bunch of players and say that no matter what you wouldn't want them on your team. For a player to be like that they would have to be an absolute cancer. I think the Cowboys draft board is just pure laziness. Why rank and scout 300+ prospects when you can just rank your favorite 100 or so that includes your favs from each round.

So if Matt Elam goes undrafted the Cowboys wouldn't even give him a call? Just pure retard ism in my opinion.

 

[VA Cowboy]

How do you not have Matt Elam on your board (in light of a sore need for a S) yet a team like the Ravens grabs him in the first.

I saw this the other day, but it obviously the Ravens weren't too concerned.


Another problem for Elam going in the top 32 are some character concerns. Scouts didn't want to go into detail, and they didn't feel they were serious problems, but there were some issues that could knock him down a bit with the more strict front offices.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php

 

[Simpleton]

That's my thing. If I was GM of an NFL team I'd probably have one of the biggest draft boards in the NFL. Why the hell not rate a player on your board at all? I can understand knocking a guy down a few rounds if you really hate his personality but how do you just point to a bunch of players and say that no matter what you wouldn't want them on your team. For a player to be like that they would have to be an absolute cancer. I think the Cowboys draft board is just pure laziness. Why rank and scout 300+ prospects when you can just rank your favorite 100 or so that includes your favs from each round.

So if Matt Elam goes undrafted the Cowboys wouldn't even give him a call? Just pure retard ism in my opinion.

It's tunnel-vision and probably laziness.

I mean, think about it, how many bodies do we have in the scouting department?

10? 20?

Combine that with just how dysfunctional this team is and this is what you get.

This board could very likely put together a similar if not better draft board based off watching games on TV and YouTube videos, which is mind-boggling considering the access/tools this team has at their disposal.

 

[mcnuttz]

If you're full time job is to scout college players for the draft, how the hell would you, as a team, not have every potential player listed on your board?

 

[Carp]

Imma be real here for a second...don't use words like sacrosanct at the DCC.

 

[VA Cowboy]

If you're full time job is to scout college players for the draft, how the hell would you, as a team, not have every potential player listed on your board?

They take guys off they deem "undraftable" for whatever reason. I can understand maybe a handful of problem-type players, but we seem to have at least a full round of players that we take off the board...and many who end up being drafted by playoff and SB caliber teams.

 

[townsend]

They take guys off they deem "undraftable" for whatever reason. I can understand maybe a handful of problem-type players, but we seem to have at least a full round of players that we take off the board...and many who end up being drafted by playoff and SB caliber teams.

To be fair, the Pats are a SB/Playoff caliber team, and they've blown more draft picks than we have.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

They take guys off they deem "undraftable" for whatever reason. I can understand maybe a handful of problem-type players, but we seem to have at least a full round of players that we take off the board...and many who end up being drafted by playoff and SB caliber teams.

I understand avoiding true cancers like Terrell Owens, but those guys are far and few between. Not to mention we obviously make exceptions for guys like Dez Bryant (Glad as hell we did).

 

[ravidubey]

He was just determined to reach for an OL no matter who the fuck fell to 18. Thank God Lotulelei didn't fall to 18 because Jerry would have passed and I'd have snapped my own neck pulling what's left of my hair out. This is our GM. He can shake off criticism from God Himself, turn a blind eye to the net loss of talent, and be held accountable by no one.

He deserves to fail miserably, and he's dragging us all down with him.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I understand avoiding true cancers like Terrell Owens, but those guys are far and few between. Not to mention we obviously make exceptions for guys like Dez Bryant (Glad as hell we did).

Between major character problems / injuries there'd probably only be a half dozen or so guys in the first 3-4 rounds that should be off the board. With us though, we probably had nearly an entire round of guys off the board.

Then on top of that we eliminated everyone but OL and Vaccaro in the first round. Then targeted TE/WR with pick 2 and 3. Regardless of who was there we were taking one in the 2nd and then one in the 3rd. Rank amateurs even know not to target a single need or two and yet we did that with our first 4 picks. Mind-numbingly ludicrous.

 

[VA Cowboy]

He was just determined to reach for an OL no matter who the fuck fell to 18. Thank God Lotulelei didn't fall to 18 because Jerry would have passed and I'd have snapped my own neck pulling what's left of my hair out. This is our GM. He can shake off criticism from God Himself, turn a blind eye to the net loss of talent, and be held accountable by no one.

He deserves to fail miserably, and he's dragging us all down with him.

Yep. I was thinking the same. If Richardson or Star had fallen to 18 we'd still have traded out. And we all know we need OL, but not at any cost. The avg. fan knows not to blindly reach for need yet our 20+ yr GM does just that....every.fricking.year.

 

[boozeman]

Yep. I was thinking the same. If Richardson or Star had fallen to 18 we'd still have traded out. And we all know we need OL, but not at any cost. The avg. fan knows not to blindly reach for need yet our 20+ yr GM does just that....every.fricking.year.

You whining negative Nancys will never give Jerry a break! You cry for an OL and he gives you the best center and you still complain! smh [/moron homer]