Flozell went to the superbowl with the Steelers in 2010, Gurode started a few games in Baltimore in 2011. Davis had a one year deal with the Niners last year. Funny how these broken down players are still on NFL rosters several years after the fact.
Gurode started a "few games" in Baltimore and then hit the scrap heap. Is Davis even starting for the 49ers?
Idiotic point. These players were finished. Just because they found short term employment elsewhere as stopgaps does not prove they were still solid starters. In fact, it kinda proves the opposite.
Meanwhile what's happening with our 22 year old tackle who had a promising rookie season? Oh, he's declining rapidly.
According to who? He's not declining rapidly. It was his first season at LT.
I'm sure you've discerned all of these qualities of Garrett's from your imagination. Never give up dreaming, the world is to dark and cruel to not have your own little secret garden where Garrett has actually done something with the incredible level of talent at his disposal.
Well, since you've provided exactly zero proof that his schemes aren't quality other than saying so yourself, uh, back at you, Chief.
Since apparently developing talent at the offensive line is beyond this current coaching staff (admittedly a few less David Arkins might make their job easier), and lower end free agents such as Livings and Bernadeu can't come in and improve the team. The only answer is to bring in 5 high profile free agents, and hope their bodies don't fall apart in the next half hour.
How many quality OL prospects has this staff had to try to develop? Or are you pinning the failure of David Nagy and Kevin Kowalski on the Garrett regime?
Laughable.
The OL has no talent. It might be Garrett's fault for not pushing to acquire more talent.
But your premise that Garrett caused the end-of-the-line Gurode, Kosier, Davis, and Adams to lose their abilities, or was not able to develop the hidden talent of David Arkin, is moronic.
That is right. 36 minutes and 36 seconds the entire year. This is a team that fell behind early almost every single home game. Why? Because their game-plan week after week was not working.
Ok, Bob. Their game plan isn't working every week, agreed.
How do we fix this? Fire the coach right? Force him to give up the OC role at least, right?
It starts with fixing your offensive line so that you can actually depend on them for something once in a while.
Oh. So that's the biggest problem. I'll tell townsend so he can kindly STFU.
Garrett's plodding offense and predictable gameplan was vastly inferior to Romo streetball.
Agreed that Garrett's schemes produced inferior results to Romo streetball last year.
However, the reason for that was primarily OL, secondarily it was the average schemes.
Right Bob?
It starts with fixing your offensive line so that you can actually depend on them for something once in a while.
It wasn't the coach couldn't trust the players, it's that the players had to win without the coach.
No.
Incorrect.
The #1 problem?
It starts with fixing your offensive line so that you can actually depend on them for something once in a while.
The personnel was a much bigger problem than the schemes.
Change coaches without changing the OL, this offense does not dramatically improve.
Change OL without changing the coach, this offense stays in the top 10 in yardage and jumps into the top 10 in scoring.
The OL we had last year was incapable of opening consistent holes in the running game. Doug Free and and Mackenzie Bernardeau were revolving doors in pass protection.
It's nearly impossible to call ANYTHING in that scenario. Nothing will work when the defense knows you can't run and when it can get after the QB. Which is why Bob says it starts with the OL.
After fixing that, then we'll see where we are with schemes.
Lovie seemed to do well there, but Garrett's never been there so that means he's just as good.
Well unless missing the playoffs in 5 out of the last 6 seasons is "good" to you, then Lovie Smith did not do well there. And yes, by missing the playoffs the last 2 seasons he did just as good as Garrett in those seasons.
I'm gonna go on the record here and say Garrett won't win a Super Bowl this year. The evidence that Lovie Smith will do no better here, is heavily dependent on you throwing out all the information that's inconvenient to your point.
You are right. I am not weighing as heavily things that happened over half a decade ago. Instead I'm pointing to the fact that, if he was able to coach a flawed team into the playoffs, he would have done it. Since he hasn't done it, that means he probably can't.
You should acknowledge that an inconsistent success is still superior to a consistent failure.
I am saying Lovie Smith no longer has the ability to get a team to the Super Bowl. And I am saying that given 6 chances, Garrett will equal his number of playoff appearances in the last 6 years.
I'll acknowledge that Lovie Smith's past resume is superior if that makes you feel better, but we're not talking about past resumes. Or at least I'm not. I'm talking about who has the better ability to coach a team to the Super Bowl going forward.
I'm saying both of these guys have a 0% chance with this roster. And neither of these guys have any chance to build the roster into a roster they could win with.
So that's equal.
It's not just reaching the playoffs. If that was the case I'd be rooting for Wade to come back. Lovie managed to stifle Aaron Rodgers during his otherwise legendary playoff run, and could have been in the superbowl if Cutler hadn't been injured. That's a lot different than just showing up in the playoffs. You should acknowledge that. Also don't buy that Lovie just got bad at coaching. He had a great defense that's gotten old. His team hasn't really ever mottled together a great offense, although somehow they got it to work with spare parts in 06.
Oh, so his defense got old, and that's why he can't make the playoffs anymore?
Garrett's OL fell apart. That's why he can't make the playoffs.
You should acknowledge that.
Garrett on the other hand had the best talent he's gonna get, as a coordinator in 08. Parcell's guys are getting old, and infusion of talent has been slow. I imagine we're a few years removed from Dez the Larry Fitzgerald of the Cowboys.
I imagine we are. A horrendous GM problem, not a coaching one.
It's not just red zone efficiency, Cowboys drives have a solid rhythm in the first half. Incomplete pass, 2 yard run, miracle 3rd down play, wash, rinse repeat until drive stalls. I don't know how many big plays ended up stalling mid field, because we're a team that depended on the big play for yardage. Or I'll let you're buddy Sturm describe it to you
I just wanted to demonstrate a clear explanation on how yards do not tell the story. One team can gain 5,800 yards in a traditional way with a balanced and unpredictable offense and be efficient and effective. Another can gain 5,900 yards and be inefficient and predictable while being way out of balance.
Well, right, the not scoring part is how they are "ineffecient." But that doesn't mean they aren't consistently moving the ball up and down the field. I would say that 2012 was Jason Garrett's WORST overall offensive showing, but even then, they could still move the ball.
Like I said, fix the OL and the red zone problems would lessen severely. You would also see more balance return to the running game.
The OL isn't bad because we don't run a lot in games, it's bad because the the talent stinks. Garrett would run more if we were able to, as evidenced by the fact that he ran more in seasons where we were able to run.
This quote you are posting by Bob says that the offense was ineffecient; it does not say that the schemes are responsible for the inefficiencies. In fact, when asked how to fix this mess..... Bob says....
It starts with fixing your offensive line so that you can actually depend on them for something once in a while. 
