Archer: Interception doesn't erase Claiborne's day

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ST. LOUIS -- Morris Claiborne was more relieved than happy as he buttoned up his dress shirt after the Dallas Cowboys' 34-31 win against the St. Louis Rams Sunday.

The cornerback made the game-clinching interception with 1:02 to play, coming down with a deep Austin Davis pass down the sideline for Brian Quick. He had the requisite on-field celebration, but he admitted "I pretty much stunk it up," before the play.

"The guys are still trying to keep me up," Claiborne said. "I'm not satisfied. We got a win and a big play at the end but it's something about leaving plays out there."

Claiborne didn't just leave plays on the field. He didn't make plays and he was beaten for plays. Continuously.

Quick beat him for a 51-yard touchdown on the first play of the second quarter. He was beaten by Kenny Britt for a 38-yard gain in the third quarter. He missed a tackle on a 16-yard run by Zac Stacy on the next play. He was penalized for illegal contact in the fourth quarter and acknowledged he was in the wrong spot on the Rams' final touchdown.

The cries for his benching could probably be heard everywhere evidently but the Edward Jones Dome. It was the lowest point for the former sixth overall pick of the 2012 draft, a player compared to Deion Sanders when he was selected.

With Orlando Scandrick back after his four-game suspension was cut in half thanks to a revised NFL drug policy, the Cowboys could have played Claiborne less.

Scandrick started but he rotated with Claiborne, depending on the St. Louis personnel. When the Rams spread the field, Scandrick moved to the slot and Claiborne stayed outside. Sterling Moore, who played well in Scandrick's absence, was a mere afterthought.

Coach Jason Garrett applauded Claiborne's ability to forget a poor play. Or two. Or three. Or seven.

"There is probably no position other than quarterback that you have to do (move on from a bad play) as much as the cornerback position in this league because you're out there on that island and the guys on the other side are good," Garrett said. "I thought our guys outside really battled back. Obviously Mo made a significant play at the end of the game to ice it for us. A true sign of mental toughness. That's what you've got to do in this league."

Even as Claiborne missed opportunities to make plays, jumping too soon on the pass to Britt, failing to wrap up Stacy, he figured he would have another chance. He knew he had done nothing to dissuade Davis from going in his direction, especially as the Rams looked to tie or win the game late.

"Playing this position, you can't hang your head," Claiborne said. "Guys are going to catch balls. It's what you do after that. They're going to come again at you."

When Claiborne saw Quick use an outside release on first-and-10 from the St. Louis 26, he figured it was a go route. The same one in which he was beat in the second quarter.

"I turned and ran and tried to play the ball," Claiborne said. "I was blessed to come up with it."

He sprinted away to celebrate after coming up with the interception -- just the third of his career -- but he couldn't outrun what happened to him the rest of the day.

The interception did not erase the first 58 minutes of the game.

"Not in my eyes," Claiborne said. "It seemed to do that with everybody else. Not in my eyes. I'm ready to go learn from this tape and get better from it. Like I told the DBs, no matter what the outcome is I can't go out and play like that. If we want to be the No. 1 defense in the league, on my end, I can't go out like that."
 

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God damn, that quote from Garrett makes me want to strangle him.
 

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So Mo's best attribute is forgetting bad plays? He must have a memory like Ten Second Tom.
 

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Disturbing that Moore gets the short end of the stick because of Claiborne. He is just the better player, hopefully soon they will stop trying to rationalize that trade up by playing Mo and just put the best players on the field.
 

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Disturbing that Moore gets the short end of the stick because of Claiborne. He is just the better player, hopefully soon they will stop trying to rationalize that trade up by playing Mo and just put the best players on the field.
Yup.

Sadly, this has been the team's way of doing things for a long time now and I don't think that's gonna change.
 

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Yup.

Sadly, this has been the team's way of doing things for a long time now and I don't think that's gonna change.
We have slowly been making philosophical changes though, so I can see this changing as well. We seem to be operating on a smarter level now, not the greatest, but I definitely see a silver lining. I don't understand how they rail Carter, but just pat Mo on the head and say it will all be alright.
 

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We have slowly been making philosophical changes though, so I can see this changing as well. We seem to be operating on a smarter level now, not the greatest, but I definitely see a silver lining. I don't understand how they rail Carter, but just pat Mo on the head and say it will all be alright.
That's an excellent point. Carter has been criticized publicly and has seen his play time suffer as a result of his mistakes, but Claiborne? He's a fighter, and stuff.

Moore may not be this all world corner, but he's scrappy and he's always around the ball.....not to mention he isn't a disaster waiting to happen like Claiborne is.

I'd love to see him get more reps over Claiborne, but it was discouraging to see how few snaps he got yesterday and he's not going to have a shot to earn more PT if he's hardly on the field.
 

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That's an excellent point. Carter has been criticized publicly and has seen his play time suffer as a result of his mistakes, but Claiborne? He's a fighter, and stuff.

Moore may not be this all world corner, but he's scrappy and he's always around the ball.....not to mention he isn't a disaster waiting to happen like Claiborne is.

I'd love to see him get more reps over Claiborne, but it was discouraging to see how few snaps he got yesterday and he's not going to have a shot to earn more PT if he's hardly on the field.
While I agree Claiborne should be getting pushed by Moore, I think we need to tap the brakes on saying he is a lock to be an upgrade, nobody knows how he will hold up, I remember some people running by him in preseason.

I want the best guy playing period and I believe if Moore is actually that he will get his shot.
 

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While I agree Claiborne should be getting pushed by Moore, I think we need to tap the brakes on saying he is a lock to be an upgrade, nobody knows how he will hold up, I remember some people running by him in preseason.

I want the best guy playing period and I believe if Moore is actually that he will get his shot.
You're right, we don't know how Moore would do in a full time role, but this is what I do know - he can't possibly be worse, and that's not hyperbole.

Claiborne cannot cover a single route right now and his confidence is shot. He's even got the Roy Williams patented point-at-someone-so-they-don't-think-it's-my-fault thing down too.

He needs to be taken out of the starting lineup, period.
 

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I do think it needs to be addressed in next years draft...not early, but somewhere in the 5th or so. I am looking at Josh Shaw dropping like a rock because he is a story teller.
 

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Claiborne was bad yesterday and it wasn't like he was facing an elite QB who was just throwing uncoverable strikes.

He was just lost in space most of the day. I'm worried that if he looks this lost at this point of his career he's not gonna get much better.
 

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He is lost here...not sure if he can recover in Dallas, he needs to go elsewhere and figure his shit out. Yep, we wasted 2 picks on him, got it, but at some point you can't fuck up your present because of a mistake you pulled in the past.
 

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Claiborne was bad yesterday and it wasn't like he was facing an elite QB who was just throwing uncoverable strikes.

He was just lost in space most of the day. I'm worried that if he looks this lost at this point of his career he's not gonna get much better.
I hate to sound like those dummies who always think converting a CB into a Safety is a fix for everything, but I actually would consider it with Claiborne.

First of all, the guy can't cover anyone. He's not a man cover guy. Maybe he was in college, but he isn't in the NFL. He's also not particular quick or fast, and that's a bad combination for an NFL corner.

In college, he was a ballhawk. The guy always jumped routes and made plays on the football, but if you look carefully, he wasn't doing that on slants and stuff like that. Almost all the plays he made where with his eyes forward with space in front or on deep routes where he had time to locate the ball. I think his length and athleticism coupled with putting him in a position where his eyes are always on what's in front of him could result in him making a solid FS.

I think he stands a much better chance of turning into a decent FS than a decent CB.
 

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I dunno. I was hoping by simplifying it by putting him in press man it'd be easier for him. He just lacks the fundamentals to stay with his man as well as a Carr or Scandrick.

I'm not sure he'd be better with the play in front of him as a deep safety and we KNOW he's not physical enough. I'm having a hard time seeing that conversion.
 

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I dunno. I was hoping by simplifying it by putting him in press man it'd be easier for him. He just lacks the fundamentals to stay with his man as well as a Carr or Scandrick.

I'm not sure he'd be better with the play in front of him as a deep safety and we KNOW he's not physical enough. I'm having a hard time seeing that conversion.
See, that's the problem - he does lack the fundamentals to play man at this level. And as I said before, he doesn't make plays in tight coverage because he's rarely close enough to his man to do it or does he have the awareness in the short to mid range stuff to jump routes there. As I said, look at this vid and you'll see almost all the picks he makes are when he's playing with his back to the endzone or on deeper passes when he has a chance to locate the ball.

He's never going to be all that good as a man corner in the short to medium range areas because he isn't able to focus on all that's happening. He's too concerned with simply staying with his man because he's having a hard time not getting beat and I doubt that's going to improve.


This kind of range and ability when facing the QB and playing the deep ball leads me to believe he could make a solid pass defender as a FS.
 

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Well I'd certainly try it but I wouldn't fault the staff for not doing it, because it is the kind of thing that won't work with a lot of guys and I suspect Marinelli would know better than I do.
 

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Imma be real for a minute...I don't hate JJ Wilcox back there.
 

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I hate to sound like those dummies who always think converting a CB into a Safety is a fix for everything, but I actually would consider it with Claiborne.

First of all, the guy can't cover anyone. He's not a man cover guy. Maybe he was in college, but he isn't in the NFL. He's also not particular quick or fast, and that's a bad combination for an NFL corner.

In college, he was a ballhawk. The guy always jumped routes and made plays on the football, but if you look carefully, he wasn't doing that on slants and stuff like that. Almost all the plays he made where with his eyes forward with space in front or on deep routes where he had time to locate the ball. I think his length and athleticism coupled with putting him in a position where his eyes are always on what's in front of him could result in him making a solid FS.

I think he stands a much better chance of turning into a decent FS than a decent CB.
He'd be a disaster at FS also. Guy can't tackle either. Maybe that is what our crack scouting dept meant when they compared him to Deion.
 

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Imma be real for a minute...I don't hate JJ Wilcox back there.
I don't either but the things I like about him may lend themselves to being a SS. Unlike Carter who gets lost, Wilcox really moves in on ball carriers quickly.

If Claiborne could be a FS, a future of him and Wilcox could be interesting. Wilcox definitely is not an AOA or Matt Johnson who can't play.
 

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I think Claiborne needs to play injury free for an extended amount of time, be that in nickel or whatever, I don't think he will ever be a top flight CB but I don't think he will be a disaster for his entire career.

With that said he does look limited physically and I don't know if he has the mental makeup to compensate, he definitely needs to be in a particular system over a long stretch.
 
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