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UncleMilti

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That's why I think the tables are turning Cadillac is finally reaching that quality level, i'm talking entry and mid level luxury, still not ready for that top shelf.

I think the price point is what is going to turn the tide you get a lot more car for the money.
I see what you mean.

My big issue with the Ford/GM/Cadillac products is the way shit starts rattling and buzzing after 12 months.

I have both a Range Rover and a BMW....and I have owned a Cadillac and Lincoln. Theres simply no comparison between the Caddy/Lincoln and BMW/RR. The quality and sheer build quality shine thru after 12 or 18 months of everyday driving. My wifes BMW drives like its brand new...no rattles, no squeaks, no nothing. The leather is thick and looks brand new. The Lincoln MKZ we had sounded like a friggin truck 9 months into ownership. The seats looked like someone 400 pounds had sat in them...the leather was stretched. My wife is like 110 pounds.

The Europeans have stepped up their game....our BMW came with a 36 month bumper to bumper maintenance plan. She pays for ZERO. Tire alignments, oil changes, tire rotations...you name it, its paid for. Quite a difference from 7-8 years ago where an oil change was 300 bucks.

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I see what you mean.

My big issue with the Ford/GM/Cadillac products is the way shit starts rattling and buzzing after 12 months.

I have both a Range Rover and a BMW....and I have owned a Cadillac and Lincoln. Theres simply no comparison between the Caddy/Lincoln and BMW/RR. The quality and sheer build quality shine thru after 12 or 18 months of everyday driving. My wifes BMW drives like its brand new...no rattles, no squeaks, no nothing. The leather is thick and looks brand new. The Lincoln MKZ we had sounded like a friggin truck 9 months into ownership. The seats looked like someone 400 pounds had sat in them...the leather was stretched. My wife is like 110 pounds.

The Europeans have stepped up their game....our BMW came with a 36 month bumper to bumper maintenance plan. She pays for ZERO. Tire alignments, oil changes, tire rotations...you name it, its paid for. Quite a difference from 7-8 years ago where an oil change was 300 bucks.

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I think Ford is getting there on the compact side and Lincoln is not even in the equation.

And I am basing this on the last year and a half, I think that's when they made their biggest leaps but yeah that year to 2 year wear has to be on par, I guess we will see.

And Range Rover is on another tier in my estimation that's why I said entry, mid level, they can't compete in that top tier.

What type of RR and BMW are you talking about?
 

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I think Ford is getting there on the compact side and Lincoln is not even in the equation.

And I am basing this on the last year and a half, I think that's when they made their biggest leaps but yeah that year to 2 year wear has to be on par, I guess we will see.

And Range Rover is on another tier in my estimation that's why I said entry, mid level, they can't compete in that top tier.

What type of RR and BMW are you talking about?
I have an RRS S/C Autobiography and my wives BMW is a 6 series with the M package.
 

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My MKZ has been terrific. Can't imagine what difficulties you encountered.
 

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I have an RRS S/C Autobiography and my wives BMW is a 6 series with the M package.
Well those are top of the line its a little unfair to compare to Cadillacs the price points are way off.

Dam nice cars by the way, I love the 6 series M.
 

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I have an RRS S/C Autobiography and my wives BMW is a 6 series with the M package.
That BMW 6 is a beautiful car. I decided to keep my current car. It needs about $4,000 in repairs service, tires etc; but it's a good car. 2008 Lexus ISF when Lexus actually made those things.
 

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That BMW 6 is a beautiful car. I decided to keep my current car. It needs about $4,000 in repairs service, tires etc; but it's a good car. 2008 Lexus ISF when Lexus actually made those things.
I think the Lexus is the closest to the European brands without being European.

My mother in law has an RX 350 with about 125,000 miles on it, and being 78 years old she has hit everything in the road with it and it is still as solid as a rock. I'm impressed as hell with that car.
 

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Well those are top of the line its a little unfair to compare to Cadillacs the price points are way off.

Dam nice cars by the way, I love the 6 series M.
Well to be fair, my wives first car was a 331i with an M package, and I would say the same about it. The Cadillac coupes were designed to go toe to toe with the 3 and 5 series BMWs...and they are roughly the same money.

That 3 series ate the frikkin tires though, I went thru 2 sets of run flats in about 40,000 miles at 2K a set.

Damn.
 

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I think the Lexus is the closest to the European brands without being European.

My mother in law has an RX 350 with about 125,000 miles on it, and being 78 years old she has hit everything in the road with it and it is still as solid as a rock. I'm impressed as hell with that car.
Have you seen the new BMW i8. Now that looks special. I wonder how much. Actually I just saw, $140k++. Nevermind.
 

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Well to be fair, my wives first car was a 331i with an M package, and I would say the same about it. The Cadillac coupes were designed to go toe to toe with the 3 and 5 series BMWs...and they are roughly the same money.

That 3 series ate the frikkin tires though, I went thru 2 sets of run flats in about 40,000 miles at 2K a set.

Damn.
Put some air in them.
 

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GM, Ford, And Others Want to Make Working on Your Own Car Illegal

One of the inherent rights of owning a vehicle is the ability to get on one’s backside — a wrench in one hand and a grease rag in the other, and just tinker to your little heart’s desire. Since the vehicle was invented, it’s been an important facet within the community of gearheads.

General Motors — the same company responsible for 87 deaths related to faulty ignition switches, FYI — wants to take that right away from you citing safety and security issues. Along with a few other big names.

It’s called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). It’s been around since 2000 and started as anti-Internet piracy legislation. But automakers want to use it to try and make working on your own car illegal. Yes, illegal. The general premise is that unlike cars of the past, today’s vehicles are so advanced and use such a large amount of software and coding in their general makeup, altering said code could be dangerous and possibly even malicious.

Listing the vehicle as a “mobile computing device,” the law would hypothetically protect automakers from pesky owners looking to alter any sort of technology in the vehicle that relates to the onboard computer. Flashing your ECU would be a big no no, which could also lead to all sorts of problems for aftermarket shops.

What GM, and even tractor companies like John Deere, argues is that you, as an owner, don’t actually own your car. Rather, you’re sort of just borrowing it for an extended amount of time and paying for the rights to use the technology. If it sounds ridiculous— it is. But it gets even more ludicrous.

According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, John Deere argued that “letting people modify car computer systems will result in them pirating music through the on-board entertainment system.” :lol

That’s right— pirating music. Through a tractor.

DMCA does give a little bit of leeway, though. While the act could hypothetically lock customers out of key safety features, it would still allow owners the ability to repair other areas of the vehicle’s onboard computer as they see fit. It’s a slim compromise, but one that may be more closely based in reality.

As it currently sits, there are 13 (!) large automakers on the list supporting the DMCA. Want to know who they are? Of course you do:

General Motors Company
BMW Group
FCA US LLC
Ford Motor Company
Jaguar Land Rover
Mazda
Mercedes-Benz USA
Mitsubishi Motors
Porsche
Toyota
Volkswagen Group of America
Volvo Cars North America

Ironically, one of the brands that relies most on technology in its vehicles — Tesla Motors — in not in support of DMCA. While other American companies like GM, Ford and Chrysler all agree that working on your own vehicle should be punishable by law.

Funny how three brands that pride themselves on American ingenuity don’t want customers to work on their cars.

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What a load of crap, I don't know about yall but one of the first things I buy when I get a new truck is a tuner. Maybe if they want to claim we actually don't own the car they should be responsible for all upkeep/repairs since it's not really ours.
 

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I don't think owership is the issue so much a people trying to work on systems that could turn the vechicle into a road hazard. To a degree I see the point. Virtually every manufacturer designs a proprietary system to their product especially in electronic and mechanical systems.
 

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If it was a safety concern then it would be the NTSB proposing it, changing the tune on a vehicle makes it run better not worse and definitely doesn't make it a road hazard :lol
 

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If it was a safety concern then it would be the NTSB proposing it, changing the tune on a vehicle makes it run better not worse and definitely doesn't make it a road hazard :lol
Most people cannot make a car run better. Even if they think they can they do not have the equipment to do the job. Mucking around them can potentially cause all kinds of problems if you aren't properly trained and have the right equipment. The idea of having the right to make adjustments sounds good but I wouldn't bet on most being able to be successful.
 

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Most people cannot make a car run better. Even if they think they can they do not have the equipment to do the job. Mucking around them can potentially cause all kinds of problems if you aren't properly trained and have the right equipment. The idea of having the right to make adjustments sounds good but I wouldn't bet on most being able to be successful.
I agree some people probably shouldn't be allowed to work on their vehicles, but there are also quite a few people I think shouldn't be allowed to drive at all. While I'd agree that not everyone should do major repairs there is noway I'd ever get behind a law making it illegal. We're talking about flashing the computers though. A tuner definitely makes a car run better, there is no equipment besides it. Just hook it to your obdii port and follow the on screen instructions.
 

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Most people cannot make a car run better. Even if they think they can they do not have the equipment to do the job. Mucking around them can potentially cause all kinds of problems if you aren't properly trained and have the right equipment. The idea of having the right to make adjustments sounds good but I wouldn't bet on most being able to be successful.
This could have been said ever since the 1st car was sold what's the difference now?

The same can be said about home repairs do you think that should be next?
 

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This could have been said ever since the 1st car was sold what's the difference now?

The same can be said about home repairs do you think that should be next?
Years ago people could actually work on their automobiles. For instance all you needed for most tune ups was a dwell meter, timing light, gap tool, screw drivers and a few wrenches. Now the operations of the vrchicle is primarily based with electronics, circuit boards and tools that are highly specialized. In addition sophisticated diagnostic equipment is essential to even begin to know where to start. Its a world of difference.
 

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I'm looking for a 67 or 68 Mustang fastback. Gonna put a modern suspension and engine in it. Screw the new stuff, give me the classic (yet updated!) muscle! :towel
 

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Years ago people could actually work on their automobiles. For instance all you needed for most tune ups was a dwell meter, timing light, gap tool, screw drivers and a few wrenches.
You need even less now, just change the plugs/wires/coil packs(if needed) , reconnect the battery and the pcm will adjust to the new components on its own.
Now the operations of the vrchicle is primarily based with electronics, circuit boards and tools that are highly specialized. In addition sophisticated diagnostic equipment is essential to even begin to know where to start. Its a world of difference.
That was true some years back but the aftermarket industry has made it affordable to get a tuner that not only lets you adjust anything from the comfort of your cab with an on screen guide but also work as a code reader. Read the code and change the part. If it's something you haven't done before there's usually a youtube vid on it you can watch.


But again they are trying to restrict consumers from being able to flash their vehicles computers, that's like buying a computer and it being illegal to change the os in any way
 
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You need even less now, just change the plugs/wires/coil packs(if needed) , reconnect the battery and the pcm will adjust to the new components on its own.

That was true some years back but the aftermarket industry has made it affordable to get a tuner that not only lets you adjust anything from the comfort of your cab with an on screen guide but also work as a code reader. Read the code and change the part. If it's something you haven't done before there's usually a youtube vid on it you can watch.


But again they are trying to restrict consumers from being able to flash their vehicles computers, that's like buying a computer and it being illegal to change the os in any way
basically the difference between working on computers in the 80s vs now.
 
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