Video of Ray Ray punching fiancee released by TMZ

Clay_Allison

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what does this have to do with rap music, though? this stat is more indicative that african-americans are biologically more prone to domestic violence simply because they're black.

with your assumption of 'I wonder what music they listen to,' you could just the same blame watermelon, fried chicken, and jeri-curls

any stats about white ppl that have committed dv and what percentage listens/doesnt listen to rap music?
Yeah, culture and values have the same impact on people's behavior as their diet. Come on. What people think is cool impacts what they do. If you're into music that celebrates violence, you're more likely to find violence acceptable.
 

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NYTimes: Handling of Ray Rice Case Puts Roger Goodell Under Heightened Level of Scrutiny

By Alan Schwarz


Linda Sánchez stood among her fellow members of Congress as she watched Roger Goodell enter the hearing room. It was October 2009, evidence of football damaging brains had been mounting for three years, and the House Judiciary Committee — along with many football fans — awaited what Goodell would say under oath about a subject shaking his sport.

“I remember him walking into that hearing, smiling and yukking it up like he was the big man on campus,” Sánchez, a Democrat from California, recalled in a telephone interview. “He thought he was going to charm the questions away. He was totally out of touch with what mattered to people outside the N.F.L.”

During his eight years as N.F.L. commissioner, Goodell has deflected many crises that threatened the league’s integrity and public image, from player misconduct (arrests, drug use, Michael Vick’s dogfighting ring) to team misconduct (teams spying on opponents or allegedly offering bounties to injure them). He has survived them all — largely because team owners are pleased with the league’s soaring revenue under Goodell’s stewardship. Their calculation is that the profits are worth any setbacks that result from a crisis-management style that has been called everything from clumsy to, last week, conspiratorial.

Rarely has the criticism intensified to the point it has for Goodell’s handling of Ray Rice, the star running back whom he had suspended for two games on the understanding that Rice assaulted his fiancée in a casino elevator in February. Only after an unequivocal video of Rice punching the woman unconscious emerged last Monday did Goodell suspend Rice indefinitely. Goodell has claimed that neither he nor anyone in the league office saw the video before last week or even knew the extent of the assault, an assertion about which contradictory evidence is mounting.

Women’s groups have called for Goodell’s resignation or removal. Friday brought even more embarrassing news: The N.F.L.’s legal team predicted that more than one in four retired players would develop a neurological disease, and the star Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was indicted on a charge of child abuse.
Never has the man who considers his job to “protect the shield” — the N.F.L.’s venerated logo — been more in need of a shield himself.

“People expect a lot from the N.F.L. — we accept that; we embrace that,” Goodell, 55, told CBS News last week in one of his rare public comments during the tumultuous stretch, in which he denied having seen the more graphic Rice video before Monday. “That’s our opportunity to make a difference not just in the N.F.L., but in society in general.”

Goodell’s lifelong love of the N.F.L. is unquestioned; he has said he dreamed of becoming commissioner even as a boy in Bronxville, N.Y. He joined the league in 1982 as an entry-level intern, ascended to public relations and business operations, and was ultimately chosen to succeed Paul Tagliabue as commissioner in 2006.

Only months later, the issue of football’s handling of concussions landed on Goodell’s desk after the suicide of the retired player Andre Waters, who was later found to have brain damage previously associated only with boxers. Goodell repeatedly asserted that his committee of experts had found no long-term effects of concussions among N.F.L. players and that the league’s policies — specifically the practice of allowing players to return to games in which they were concussed — were sound.
Even after three years of mounting evidence of brain damage in retired players (including one study commissioned by the N.F.L. itself) had persuaded many skeptics that there was a link between football head trauma and cognitive decline, Goodell, when asked about it by an increasingly impatient House Judiciary Committee in 2009, pleaded ignorance.

“The medical experts should be the ones to continue that debate,” Goodell said. “The bottom line is, we’re not waiting for that debate to continue. We want to make sure our game is safe, and we’re doing everything we possibly can for our players now.”

The committee chairman, John Conyers Jr., a Democrat of Michigan, said: “I just asked you a simple question. What’s the answer?”

Goodell responded: “The answer is the medical experts would know better than I would with respect to that. But we are not treating that in any way in delaying anything that we do. We are reinforcing our commitment to make sure we make the safest possible ——”
“O.K.,” Conyers interrupted. “I’ve heard it.”

Within weeks, the N.F.L. adopted far stricter rules for teams’ handling of brain injuries. Goodell said in a news release that the moves would “enhance the substantial progress we have made in recent years.” He did not address there or anywhere else his and his league’s role in preserving the conditions that begged progress. The league spokesman Joe Browne wrote on Twitter, “Goodell again shows he’s serious re: concussions.”

Goodell’s punishments of players through the league’s personal-conduct policy have confused those monitoring his appreciation for wider societal issues. When Vick’s role in a dogfighting ring brought animal cruelty to national attention, Goodell suspended Vick for six games beyond his 18-month prison term — but later reduced the punishment to two after meeting with Vick, telling reporters, “I think he’s making real progress.” The next season, when Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger faced multiple accusations of sexual assault, Goodell gave him a six-game suspension but later lowered it to four, explaining, “You have told me and the Steelers that you are committed to making better decisions.”

In those episodes, Goodell tried to make three groups happy: those wanting a statement against the behavior, those appreciating stories of redemption and, perhaps most of all, those who just wanted two of the league’s most marketable stars back on the field.

Even Goodell’s harshest punishments have had clumsy codas. In 2007, after a Patriots employee was caught filming the Jets’ defensive signals, Goodell found other instances of such spying and swiftly fined the Patriots $250,000, took away a first-round draft pick and fined Coach Bill Belichick $500,000. But the league did not reveal the other instances, and it fueled conspiracy theories by destroying the tapes with little explanation. One crisis management expert said at the time, “Roger Goodell learned what Richard Nixon did not: If the tapes are destroyed, you keep your job.”
In 2012, after Saints coaches were found to have paid bounties to defensive players who injured opponents, Goodell — hammering his continued commitment for player safety — suspended Coach Sean Payton for the entire season and four players for a combined 28 games. The reaction was predictable: “Goodell’s suspension of Saints players proves this is a new NFL,” a headline on CBSSports.com read. But the players’ suspensions were overturned by none other than Tagliabue, who had been brought out of retirement to handle the appeals. He said the facts did not support the punishments.

After accusations of bias on his part, Goodell stepped aside and appointed the defense lawyer Ted Wells to investigate last season’s primary controversy: claims that Dolphins lineman Richie Incognito was making racial and homophobic slurs and bullying his teammate Jonathan Martin amid a teamwide culture of harassment. Incognito was suspended for the rest of the season. Wells’s report confirming and detailing the Dolphins’ workplace environment was not released until two weeks after the Super Bowl.

Goodell called the independent-investigator play again last week, hiring the former F.B.I. chief Robert S. Mueller III to examine the handling of the Rice situation. But the circumstances differ from any Goodell has faced before: Under scrutiny is the conduct not of a player or a team, but of the N.F.L. — and ultimately him.
 

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Yeah, culture and values have the same impact on people's behavior as their diet. Come on. What people think is cool impacts what they do. If you're into music that celebrates violence, you're more likely to find violence acceptable.
Gangsta rap hasn't been cool for at least a decade. Violence is still around. So is watermelon and fried chicken.

in all seriousness, there are factors driving violence, but gangsta rap is far from the top drivers. Back to Adrian Peterson, rap music didn't drive him to cut a switch and whip his child. Neither did rap music play a part in his incident.

The popular black music out today is far from gangsta, but this 'party all nite, yolo' candy pop shit. Violence is still around, though, before, during and after rap's heyday.

rap music didn't turn a bunch of peaceful scholars into violent gangsters. It's always been violent to live in black neighborhoods. Drugs, fuck the police and gangs were around long before rap came along.
 
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Violence is still around. So is watermelon and fried chicken.
You're still pushing this stupidity? Since when has watermelon and fried chicken ever promoted violence?

:lol
 

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When I posted that last post I imagined a plethora of smilies, props and PMs telling me how funny I am.
 

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No wonder he has been hiding. Among other things, Goodell is not good at lying.
 

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John Harbaugh may be the one person who emerges clean in this whole thing.
 

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Goodell would be doing everyone a favor if he just stepped aside and lived out the rest of his life the wealthy man he is.

He is looking more the fool he really is with every passing day. Fact is, he tried to help his Raven buddy, and the shit is blowing up everywhere around him.

Lies breed more lies, and those lies eventually do you in.
 

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Kind of amazing that the Ravens brass would put their nuts on the line for Rice, who honestly looked like a declining player last year.
 

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More Coming Out on the Ray Rice Situation

More Coming Out on the Ray Rice Situation

Watch/record Outside the Lines this Sunday. Goodell may not survive this this and the Mara's (and those aligned with them) may lose their favorite little soldier. They may lose the favoritism they have enjoyed.

http://abcn.ws/1mnusmq

I think a power struggle is coming to the NFL Owners Group.
 

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It hasn't even aired and the Ravens are disputing it.
 
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Watch/record Outside the Lines this Sunday. Goodell may not survive this this and the Mara's (and those aligned with them) may lose their favorite little soldier. They may lose the favoritism they have enjoyed.

http://abcn.ws/1mnusmq

I think a power struggle is coming to the NFL Owners Group.
It's going to have to take that to get rid of him. He's too stubborn to walk away...expecially at what? $44M a year? Eh, I don't blame him.
 

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Watch/record Outside the Lines this Sunday. Goodell may not survive this this and the Mara's (and those aligned with them) may lose their favorite little soldier. They may lose the favoritism they have enjoyed.

http://abcn.ws/1mnusmq

I think a power struggle is coming to the NFL Owners Group.
Yep, thanks for re-posting something I had already placed in the appropriate thread.
 

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Ravens: ESPN story contains “numerous errors, inaccuracies”

Posted by Mike Wilkening on September 19, 2014, 9:26 PM EDT


The Ravens have responded to ESPN’s Friday report on the club’s decision-making after Ray Rice’s February arrest with a short statement claiming the piece contains “numerous” mistakes.

The team plans to talk in greater detail about the story next week, it said.

“The ESPN.com ‘Outside the Lines’ article contains numerous errors, inaccuracies, false assumptions and, perhaps, misunderstandings,” the club said Friday night. “The Ravens will address all of these next week in Baltimore after our trip to Cleveland for Sunday’s game against the Browns.”

While the club may not plan to further address the story until next week, it’s a certainty head coach John Harbaugh will be asked about it after Sunday’s game at Cleveland. Also, Kevin Byrne, the club’s senior V.P. of public and community relations, is slated to meet the press at 1 p.m. ET on Saturday in connection with the team’s Rice jersey exchange.

UPDATE 10:33 p.m. ET: “We stand by our reporting,” ESPN spokesperson Josh Krulewitz told PFT on Friday night.
 

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Yep, thanks for re-posting something I had already placed in the appropriate thread.
Many apologies oh king of all proper message board etiquette. Why MUST it go on the TMZ video thread about the Ray Rice incident? It doesn't pertain to the TMZ video.

It does pertain the League and the Ravens knowing more than they said, but it also is about how Goodell is aligned with certain teams/owners and protects them while going after other teams that are not aligned with those owners. It goes into Spygate and Bountygate and other incidents.

That is bigger issue than the Ray Rice alone and thus why I gave it a separate thread.
 
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