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I don't see anything in this that turns any screws on Goodell. Their request is somewhat vague in that transparency is requested. What ever that means.
I don't know, this has been the lead on the NBC Nightly News for 2 days in a row now. Its possible Roger might have a fire he can't put out.

If there's evidence he saw the tape he's definitely gone.
 

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Do we absolutely need government in everything? I mean fuck, mind your own damn business. If a law needs to be made make one, we don't need your attention whoring. The public seems to be creating enough outrage without you take faggots hopping on the bandwagon.
 

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Do we absolutely need government in everything? I mean fuck, mind your own damn business. If a law needs to be made make one, we don't need your attention whoring. The public seems to be creating enough outrage without you take faggots hopping on the bandwagon.
I agree with this. There is already a governing body to deal with this. Another layer isn't needed.
 

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Ted Robinson suspended for two games - one of my favorite commentators; are you not allowed an opinion now?
 

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Do we absolutely need government in everything? I mean fuck, mind your own damn business. If a law needs to be made make one, we don't need your attention whoring. The public seems to be creating enough outrage without you take faggots hopping on the bandwagon.
This is what happens when you accept special exemptions from the federal government. Congress doesn't give gifts without strings attached.
 

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Ted Robinson suspended for two games - one of my favorite commentators; are you not allowed an opinion now?
A legitimate opinion. Not sure i agree with it, but he has a legitimate point.

It is sad sorta she blames her husbands problems on the media and not his knuckles.
 
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I really did not believe that they had access to the full tape prior to yesterday, but it seems pretty clear that someone at the NFL office had it in April. Goodell has to face punishment, the same way that Payton had to face punishment in NO. Goodell held him accountable for stuff going on there that he had no idea about, so he needs to be held to the same standard.
 

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I haven't heard one peep from the NFL owners as to where they are going with this. It seems to me they are going to let the feds dig out the evidential facts then act on those findings. That's the safest position for them to take.
 

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I really did not believe that they had access to the full tape prior to yesterday, but it seems pretty clear that someone at the NFL office had it in April. Goodell has to face punishment, the same way that Payton had to face punishment in NO. Goodell held him accountable for stuff going on there that he had no idea about, so he needs to be held to the same standard.
~nail on the head smiley~
 

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I haven't heard one peep from the NFL owners as to where they are going with this. It seems to me they are going to let the feds dig out the evidential facts then act on those findings. That's the safest position for them to take.
Kraft and Jerry backed him.
 

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If he stays, how will Goodell effectively govern?

Posted by Mike Florio on September 11, 2014, 8:59 AM EDT

Setting aside for now whether the NFL saw the tape (maybe it did) or even needed to see the tape (it probably didn’t) and whether an independent investigation will cause ownership to hire a new captain for their 300-foot, gold-plated yacht, a legitimate question has emerged regarding Commissioner Roger Goodell’s ability to govern pro football in the wake of the Ray Rice scandal.

During the 2011 lockout, Goodell routinely pointed out that he’s the Commissioner of the entire league. As a practical matter, he ultimately runs the entire sport. Will he be able to run the sport with credibility moving forward, especially when the time comes to impose discipline on players, coaches, owners, and/or teams?

The 2012 witch hunt against the Saints, which levied harsh punishments for tough off-field talk with no clear nexus to illegal on-field conduct as a potential knee-jerk reaction to the concussion crisis, undermined Goodell’s credibility, especially in New Orleans. But that case was more complex and nuanced, lacking the hot-button clarity that has made the Rice scandal a major mainstream news story.

This case will stick permanently to Goodell, making it difficult for him to credibly levy punishment for any and all infractions for which players, coaches, owners, and/or teams are disciplined in the future.

Not long after Goodell got the job in 2006, complaints began to emerge from agents who suddenly weren’t able to negotiate outcomes to substance-abuse and PED cases as easily as they could under former Commissioner Paul Tagliabue. A new sheriff was in town, and he eventually became labeled by TIME as “The Enforcer.”

So how can “The Enforcer” still be “The Enforcer” after so horribly failing to properly enforce on an issue of such significance? It could be that, in addition to a revamped and reconstituted NFL Security department, Goodell will have to sacrifice the role of “Enforcer,” in the same way that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones should sacrifice the role of General Manager.

The better model could be for the Commissioner (whoever it may be) to be the good cop, with a top-level lieutenant serving as the bad cop. And if/when the bad cop becomes anything other than squeaky clean, a new bad cop will be hired.

In this case, Goodell will have to find a way to effectively fulfill both roles despite the stain of an investigation that was grossly incompetent at best, clumsily covered up at worst. It may not be possible, assuming that the owners ultimately decide that change isn’t needed.
 

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I really did not believe that they had access to the full tape prior to yesterday, but it seems pretty clear that someone at the NFL office had it in April. Goodell has to face punishment, the same way that Payton had to face punishment in NO. Goodell held him accountable for stuff going on there that he had no idea about, so he needs to be held to the same standard.
I believe he said that ignorance was no excuse
 

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Kraft and Jerry backed him.
They should have stayed mum. Now they may have to also do a reversal if the owners decide to dump him. So far I don't see any legal implications for the owners but they will need to take a seat in the corner and observe.
 

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Report: Roger Goodell has support of owners, for now

Posted by Darin Gantt on September 11, 2014, 12:48 PM EDT

For now, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has the support of the owners.

But at least one of them seems to be hedging his bets, awaiting the outcome of the independent investigation into the handling of the Ray Rice punishment.

Peter King of TheMMQB.com talked to at least two owners, and there’s still a general sense of support for Goodell.

But at least one indicated that’s not necessarily permanent, and that Goodell might not survive the latest wave of bad news.

“This is a good first step,” an owner told King. “But we need to be prepared for any outcome.”

“I am starting to get a sick feeling about how out of control this is getting,” another owner said. “But I am standing by Roger. He has been great for our league.”

That he has made them all a pile of money is one reason Goodell is still widely believed to be safe in his job.

But as important, if not more so, are the owners who are loyal to him.

Goodell already has on-the-record backing from Patriots owner Robert Kraft, Giants co-owner John Mara and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. He was scheduled to present an award last night to Panthers owner Jerry Richardson (canceling at the last minute when this thing got even uglier).

Mara and Steelers president Art Rooney II (another Goodell supporter) are overseeing the investigation headed by former FBI director Robert Mueller.

Those five owners are some of the most influential in league matters, and Goodell has them squarely on his side.

The situation can always change, but it might take clear evidence of a cover-up to erode the support he’s built from his bosses, which is built on the back of billions of dollars.
 

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From what I gather all that is at stake now is Goodell' s job. The owners are really stupid to be declaring themselves at this stage. If some subsequent damage issues are alleged by anyone over this the owners have potentially put themselves in a position to become defendants.
 

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Report: Goodell went light on initial Rice punishment out of respect for Rice’s wife

Posted by Josh Alper on September 11, 2014, 4:04 PM EDT
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When NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell met with former Ravens running back Ray Rice before initially suspending him for two games, Rice’s wife Janay was also in attendance.

During that meeting, she told Goodell that she believed she was partially to blame for being punched in the face and knocked unconscious inside an elevator at the Revel Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. According to a report from Kevin Clark of the Wall Street Journal, Goodell then went on to give Rice the nearly universally reviled penalty out of respect for his wife.

Clark reports that an NFL owner said that Goodell told him and other owners that he felt a harsher penalty would have been “insensitive” to Mrs. Rice “because it would have come across as an indictment of her character.” That owner and another source told Clark that they believed the lack of thoroughness “reflected Goodell’s discomfort” with making a decision that didn’t fit with her description of the events. The NFL and the Rices declined opportunity to comment.

According to the owner, Goodell also told him that he believed Mrs. Rice fell during a scuffle between the couple and became unconscious as a result. That’s in direct opposition to the police report from the incident, which is very different than Goodell’s statements that the work of law enforcement was the league’s guide in how to approach the issue.

It’s unknown if the unnamed owner’s goal was to make Goodell seem more sympathetic, but the report, if true, doesn’t do that. It serves to blame the victim not only for being abused, but for the league’s failure to do a complete investigation of what happened that night. And it provides further evidence that the league erred in a major way by interviewing the alleged victim of abuse next to her alleged abuser and his employers in the first place.

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This makes absolutely zero sense. So, he gave Rice a lesser sentence because a worse sentence would reflect worse on her character? wut?
 

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