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I refuse to acknowledge this in this context.
Crisp - Report: Josh Brent Will Be Disciplined by NFL
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Yea, looking at how Jerry operates I'm guessing the next HC will have a defensive background and will have probably been a HC in the league before. Lovie was the perfect candidate in that mold but he's gone now, so I guess that leaves us with Marinelli or Kiffin.
I doubt we go with a guy like Roman in San Francisco because his profile is too similar to Garrett's before he was made HC, a guy who has no HC experience in the NFL and is currently a play-caller/OC.
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I think Marinelli will be marked with the stank of the terrible D this year. I think it will be a defensive guy but probably outside the current staff. If Jerruh cleans house he makes all the currently upset fans at least temporarily happy, even a lot of us on this board.
Who that is could depend on who is available. Rex Ryan is a possibility if the Jets have a down year. The Rams may lose patience with Jeff Fisher. Dom Capers might get in on it if the Packers have a good year.
We haven't really invested anything in the switch to the 4-3. The one guy we drafted for the 4-3 defense is a better fit in the 3-4 anyway.
If I was making the hire it would be Roman, Shaw (Stanford), or Gus Malzahn.
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Well of course you do.
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Cowlishaw: Josh Brent deserves another chance, just not with the Cowboys
Tim Cowlishaw
wtcowlishaw@dallasnews.com
Published: 02 September 2014 09:08 PM
Updated: 03 September 2014 01:20 AM
A cynic would suggest the best way to handle what is likely to be perceived as bad news is with a pre-emptive strike, a “good news” story to distract the critics. Let’s hope the Cowboys’ plans to sign Michael Sam to their practice squad represent more than just a marvelous misdirection called by Jerry Jones.
It was not quite two hours after the Sam news broke Tuesday afternoon that the NFL’s 10-week suspension of Josh Brent was announced in a news release. That’s right. I can’t tell you if Sam, the openly gay defensive end cut Friday by the St. Louis Rams, will ever play for the Cowboys. He might suit up this season or he could be released in two weeks.
But barring any setbacks or a failure to meet the terms of his agreement with the NFL, Brent will be back at defensive tackle for the Cowboys in New York on Nov. 23 when the Cowboys meet the Giants.
That’s just shy of two years since he last played for Dallas. Just shy of two years since, as the evidence detailed, he drove his Mercedes 110 miles per hour with a blood alcohol level of .18 — more than twice the legal limit — and killed teammate and best friend Jerry Brown Jr.
I have said before that while I think Brent has the right to play — it’s hard to call it a “second chance” since he was convicted of DUI while at the University of Illinois — I think that opportunity should come elsewhere. A fresh start for all concerned, including Cowboys fans, would be best.
Some of you will welcome him back because this team has such a porous defense. Many of you will hate his return and see it as a continuation of the declining values of the Cowboys or the NFL.
For those in the second group, let me offer two words: Craig MacTavish.
If you were late arriving to the NHL — say, perhaps when the North Stars moved here from Minnesota in 1993 — you know MacTavish as a winner of Stanley Cups, the last man to play without a helmet, a coach who made a shocking run to Game 7 of the Cup Final in 2006 with Edmonton. He’s the Oilers’ GM today.
He’s also a man who was convicted of vehicular manslaughter as a young player with the Boston Bruins in 1984. Driving drunk, he killed a young woman, pled guilty and spent a year in jail.
He actually switched teams while incarcerated and went on to the successful career I have mentioned. Nothing can ever change what happened, but he was allowed to return to the game he loved after doing time. He turned his life around.
Isn’t Brent deserving of the same opportunity?
We know nothing is going to change where his young teammate is concerned. We also know Brown’s mother has consistently expressed hope that the Cowboys will welcome Brent back to the team.
It’s not a feel-good story or anything of the sort. But is it fair? Maybe.
Brent was sentenced and served his time. If you believe he deserved more than six months, that's more of an issue you have with America’s judicial system than America’s Team.
The 10-year probation remains in play. Brent cannot afford the slightest of slip-ups without risking a lengthy and quite obviously career-ending return to jail.
I believe everyone would be better served if his return to the NFL came with an AFC team. A new set of teammates, new fans, new surroundings. I know there are those that will say the Cowboys know him best and can help him fight his demons.
Well, he lost that battle the last time he was on their roster. And a young man lost his life.
The NFL’s 10-game suspension is punitive enough, given the time served and the money Brent already has lost. Yes, it’s silly to suspend Cleveland wide receiver Josh Gordon for 16 games for repeated failures of marijuana tests, but that’s a collectively bargained issue that needs to be changed.
Brent’s agent, Peter Schaffer, won’t be doing his client any favors in the court of public opinion if he appeals this suspension as indicated he will.
The football landscape is different since we last saw Brent play. The Cowboys have changed their defense once and coordinators twice. How Brent can help this team as a 4-3 tackle remains to be determined.
You can’t change the past. But, for all concerned, Brent’s future would be better explored if it followed the path taken by the NHL and MacTavish — in another city with another team.
Josh Brent reinstatement
Josh Brent has been conditionally reinstated as an NFL player with the Cowboys but will not be eligible to play until at least Week 11, the Cowboys’ bye week. If he is fully reinstated, he would have missed a total of 30 regular-season games since the 2012 incident that led to his intoxication manslaughter conviction. Brent’s reinstatement is based on the following conditions:
— Suspension without pay for the first 10 weeks of the 2014 regular season.
— During the first six weeks, he is not permitted to visit the club facility or participate in any team activities except to meet with his clinician or the club’s player engagement director.
— Beginning Week 7, he will be permitted to attend team meetings and do individual workouts and conditioning. He will not be permitted to practice, travel with the team or attend games.
— Beginning Week 9, he will be permitted to engage in all team activities but he may not travel with the team or participate in games.
— He must fully comply with any evaluation, treatment or counseling required by medical or other professionals assigned to him.
— He must fully comply with the requirements set forth by the courts regarding his probation, testing and monitoring.
— He must have no further adverse involvement with law enforcement.
— Any prohibited alcohol-related conduct will likely result in an immediate suspension and potential banishment from the NFL.
— Brent may appeal this decision within five days
Tim Cowlishaw
wtcowlishaw@dallasnews.com
Published: 02 September 2014 09:08 PM
Updated: 03 September 2014 01:20 AM
A cynic would suggest the best way to handle what is likely to be perceived as bad news is with a pre-emptive strike, a “good news” story to distract the critics. Let’s hope the Cowboys’ plans to sign Michael Sam to their practice squad represent more than just a marvelous misdirection called by Jerry Jones.
It was not quite two hours after the Sam news broke Tuesday afternoon that the NFL’s 10-week suspension of Josh Brent was announced in a news release. That’s right. I can’t tell you if Sam, the openly gay defensive end cut Friday by the St. Louis Rams, will ever play for the Cowboys. He might suit up this season or he could be released in two weeks.
But barring any setbacks or a failure to meet the terms of his agreement with the NFL, Brent will be back at defensive tackle for the Cowboys in New York on Nov. 23 when the Cowboys meet the Giants.
That’s just shy of two years since he last played for Dallas. Just shy of two years since, as the evidence detailed, he drove his Mercedes 110 miles per hour with a blood alcohol level of .18 — more than twice the legal limit — and killed teammate and best friend Jerry Brown Jr.
I have said before that while I think Brent has the right to play — it’s hard to call it a “second chance” since he was convicted of DUI while at the University of Illinois — I think that opportunity should come elsewhere. A fresh start for all concerned, including Cowboys fans, would be best.
Some of you will welcome him back because this team has such a porous defense. Many of you will hate his return and see it as a continuation of the declining values of the Cowboys or the NFL.
For those in the second group, let me offer two words: Craig MacTavish.
If you were late arriving to the NHL — say, perhaps when the North Stars moved here from Minnesota in 1993 — you know MacTavish as a winner of Stanley Cups, the last man to play without a helmet, a coach who made a shocking run to Game 7 of the Cup Final in 2006 with Edmonton. He’s the Oilers’ GM today.
He’s also a man who was convicted of vehicular manslaughter as a young player with the Boston Bruins in 1984. Driving drunk, he killed a young woman, pled guilty and spent a year in jail.
He actually switched teams while incarcerated and went on to the successful career I have mentioned. Nothing can ever change what happened, but he was allowed to return to the game he loved after doing time. He turned his life around.
Isn’t Brent deserving of the same opportunity?
We know nothing is going to change where his young teammate is concerned. We also know Brown’s mother has consistently expressed hope that the Cowboys will welcome Brent back to the team.
It’s not a feel-good story or anything of the sort. But is it fair? Maybe.
Brent was sentenced and served his time. If you believe he deserved more than six months, that's more of an issue you have with America’s judicial system than America’s Team.
The 10-year probation remains in play. Brent cannot afford the slightest of slip-ups without risking a lengthy and quite obviously career-ending return to jail.
I believe everyone would be better served if his return to the NFL came with an AFC team. A new set of teammates, new fans, new surroundings. I know there are those that will say the Cowboys know him best and can help him fight his demons.
Well, he lost that battle the last time he was on their roster. And a young man lost his life.
The NFL’s 10-game suspension is punitive enough, given the time served and the money Brent already has lost. Yes, it’s silly to suspend Cleveland wide receiver Josh Gordon for 16 games for repeated failures of marijuana tests, but that’s a collectively bargained issue that needs to be changed.
Brent’s agent, Peter Schaffer, won’t be doing his client any favors in the court of public opinion if he appeals this suspension as indicated he will.
The football landscape is different since we last saw Brent play. The Cowboys have changed their defense once and coordinators twice. How Brent can help this team as a 4-3 tackle remains to be determined.
You can’t change the past. But, for all concerned, Brent’s future would be better explored if it followed the path taken by the NHL and MacTavish — in another city with another team.
Josh Brent reinstatement
Josh Brent has been conditionally reinstated as an NFL player with the Cowboys but will not be eligible to play until at least Week 11, the Cowboys’ bye week. If he is fully reinstated, he would have missed a total of 30 regular-season games since the 2012 incident that led to his intoxication manslaughter conviction. Brent’s reinstatement is based on the following conditions:
— Suspension without pay for the first 10 weeks of the 2014 regular season.
— During the first six weeks, he is not permitted to visit the club facility or participate in any team activities except to meet with his clinician or the club’s player engagement director.
— Beginning Week 7, he will be permitted to attend team meetings and do individual workouts and conditioning. He will not be permitted to practice, travel with the team or attend games.
— Beginning Week 9, he will be permitted to engage in all team activities but he may not travel with the team or participate in games.
— He must fully comply with any evaluation, treatment or counseling required by medical or other professionals assigned to him.
— He must fully comply with the requirements set forth by the courts regarding his probation, testing and monitoring.
— He must have no further adverse involvement with law enforcement.
— Any prohibited alcohol-related conduct will likely result in an immediate suspension and potential banishment from the NFL.
— Brent may appeal this decision within five days
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Cowboys monitoring Josh Brent's work
September, 3, 2014
By Todd Archer | ESPNDallas.com
IRVING, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has not talked to reinstated-but-suspended defensive tackle Josh Brent, but the team has been aware of what he has been doing since being released from a drug and alcohol treatment center in July.
“The reports that we’ve gotten regarding Josh have been that he’s working very hard and trying to get back,” Garrett said. “… When you have something -- an opportunity like playing pro football -- oftentimes getting a guy back in that environment is what’s best for him, whatever that field of endeavor is. If you’ve gone through some very difficult, tragic situations in your life you want to get as much normalcy back in your life as possible. I know how important it is for Josh to get back playing football and by all accounts he’s working very hard to do that.”
Brent was suspended for the first 10 games for his involvement in a 2012 car accident that cost the life of teammate and friend Jerry Brown. If he follows the league protocol, then he will have missed 30 games over the last three seasons. He missed the final four games of the 2012 season and retired before training camp in 2013.
Since his release, Brent has been working out at Michael Johnson Performance in McKinney as he looks to re-start his career. Brent can begin attending meetings in Week 7 and practicing in Week 9. The first game Brent would be eligible to play would be Nov. 23 at the New York Giants.
Per league rules, the Cowboys cannot have contact with Brent during the suspension.
The Cowboys have supported Brent since the accident in part as a deference to Brown’s mother, Stacey Jackson, and in part because they believe it is the right thing to do.
“We understand the situation,” Garrett said. “And really you just put yourself in his shoes, how difficult a situation this is. We feel like, like any member of your family, it’s important for us to support him, help him in any way we can first and foremost as a person. Any interaction we have of him individually, teammates, coaches, from where I sit, where this organization sits as a whole, it’s important that he understands that we’re there for him. He’s gone through a very difficult situation and gone through a very difficult process following that situation. It’s our job to support him and help him in any way we can.”
September, 3, 2014
By Todd Archer | ESPNDallas.com
IRVING, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has not talked to reinstated-but-suspended defensive tackle Josh Brent, but the team has been aware of what he has been doing since being released from a drug and alcohol treatment center in July.
“The reports that we’ve gotten regarding Josh have been that he’s working very hard and trying to get back,” Garrett said. “… When you have something -- an opportunity like playing pro football -- oftentimes getting a guy back in that environment is what’s best for him, whatever that field of endeavor is. If you’ve gone through some very difficult, tragic situations in your life you want to get as much normalcy back in your life as possible. I know how important it is for Josh to get back playing football and by all accounts he’s working very hard to do that.”
Brent was suspended for the first 10 games for his involvement in a 2012 car accident that cost the life of teammate and friend Jerry Brown. If he follows the league protocol, then he will have missed 30 games over the last three seasons. He missed the final four games of the 2012 season and retired before training camp in 2013.
Since his release, Brent has been working out at Michael Johnson Performance in McKinney as he looks to re-start his career. Brent can begin attending meetings in Week 7 and practicing in Week 9. The first game Brent would be eligible to play would be Nov. 23 at the New York Giants.
Per league rules, the Cowboys cannot have contact with Brent during the suspension.
The Cowboys have supported Brent since the accident in part as a deference to Brown’s mother, Stacey Jackson, and in part because they believe it is the right thing to do.
“We understand the situation,” Garrett said. “And really you just put yourself in his shoes, how difficult a situation this is. We feel like, like any member of your family, it’s important for us to support him, help him in any way we can first and foremost as a person. Any interaction we have of him individually, teammates, coaches, from where I sit, where this organization sits as a whole, it’s important that he understands that we’re there for him. He’s gone through a very difficult situation and gone through a very difficult process following that situation. It’s our job to support him and help him in any way we can.”
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Jerry Jones: Josh Brent was suspended a lot longer than I expected
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 5, 2014, 3:25 PM EDT
Cowboys defensive lineman Josh Brent is suspended for the first 10 games of the season for driving drunk and causing the crash that killed teammate Jerry Brown in 2012. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is surprised Brent was given that harsh a punishment.
Asked on his radio show on KRLD-FM about Brent’s suspension, Jones said, “certainly 10 games was a lot more than I thought that it would be.”
Some would say there’s no suspension that’s long enough for an offense as severe as killing another person while driving drunk. However, Brown’s own mother has forgiven Brent, and Brent has already missed 20 games — the last four games of the 2012 season and all of 2013 — because of the crash. Brent has already missed more time for this crash than Donte Stallworth missed when he was suspended a year for killing a pedestrian while driving drunk in 2009, and more time than Leonard Little missed when he was suspended eight games for killing another driver while driving drunk in 1999.
As for Jones, he’s eager to get Brent back on the field, and glad that Brent will be able to practice before he’s eligible to play.
“Well a critical part of the terms of his reinstatement was that he was going to get to have some time in pads with the team earlier than that 10 games mentioned,” Jones said. “That’s a big deal. In this particular case, because of the time of year, we were concerned we were going to [have a problem] because we hadn’t seen him with pads on at about 18 months. First of all, Rod Marinelli hadn’t seen him, so that was going to be problematic. Now we’ll get to see him and get to be involved in watching him get in playing shape. He’s working hard.”
Eventually, Brent will be back on the field, helping Jones’s team win. Jones wishes he didn’t have to wait so long.
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 5, 2014, 3:25 PM EDT
Cowboys defensive lineman Josh Brent is suspended for the first 10 games of the season for driving drunk and causing the crash that killed teammate Jerry Brown in 2012. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is surprised Brent was given that harsh a punishment.
Asked on his radio show on KRLD-FM about Brent’s suspension, Jones said, “certainly 10 games was a lot more than I thought that it would be.”
Some would say there’s no suspension that’s long enough for an offense as severe as killing another person while driving drunk. However, Brown’s own mother has forgiven Brent, and Brent has already missed 20 games — the last four games of the 2012 season and all of 2013 — because of the crash. Brent has already missed more time for this crash than Donte Stallworth missed when he was suspended a year for killing a pedestrian while driving drunk in 2009, and more time than Leonard Little missed when he was suspended eight games for killing another driver while driving drunk in 1999.
As for Jones, he’s eager to get Brent back on the field, and glad that Brent will be able to practice before he’s eligible to play.
“Well a critical part of the terms of his reinstatement was that he was going to get to have some time in pads with the team earlier than that 10 games mentioned,” Jones said. “That’s a big deal. In this particular case, because of the time of year, we were concerned we were going to [have a problem] because we hadn’t seen him with pads on at about 18 months. First of all, Rod Marinelli hadn’t seen him, so that was going to be problematic. Now we’ll get to see him and get to be involved in watching him get in playing shape. He’s working hard.”
Eventually, Brent will be back on the field, helping Jones’s team win. Jones wishes he didn’t have to wait so long.
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Technically, Brent wasn't a part of the league when that happened because he had filed to retire. So the league can't punish him for that.
Yeah, right. I know...
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