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I am feeling very positive about the future of the football program. Recruiting is going well.

We have the top LBer in the country transferring in from Ohio State, the #1 QB in the country is committed, our top DT target committed, our top OL target committed yesterday, it looks like we will hold onto the fastest 200 meter times kid in the country as a RB commit...several other big time recruits are seriously considering committing to Tech.

It will take some time but with this momentum the next few years could be fun. I'd just be happy with have exciting games again where we can never be counted out of a game.
 
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Fine. Let's do this..... again.

They owe him the money cause it's the right thing to do. They fired like the day before it was due to him, and fired him for bullshit lies spread by a boy and his douchebag daddeh.

They should pay him the money.
Whats the difference between that and a team cutting a guy right before his roster bonus is due?
 

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Whats the difference between that and a team cutting a guy right before his roster bonus is due?
For me its the reasons. Most teams aren't listening to Craig James and his media. That and Hance is a douchenozzle.


That's it for me on this subject.
 

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Whats the difference between that and a team cutting a guy right before his roster bonus is due?
Because it was an unjust firing. It was based on lies. Hance and Myers had had it out for Leach for a long time, and they took the opportunity of lies to get rid of him.
 

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I am feeling very positive about the future of the football program. Recruiting is going well.

We have the top LBer in the country transferring in from Ohio State, the #1 QB in the country is committed, our top DT target committed, our top OL target committed yesterday, it looks like we will hold onto the fastest 200 meter times kid in the country as a RB commit...several other big time recruits are seriously considering committing to Tech.

It will take some time but with this momentum the next few years could be fun. I'd just be happy with have exciting games again where we can never be counted out of a game.
It sure seems like Kliff is recruiting well. I guess a younger coach that chest bumps will draw more kids.
 

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Whats the difference between that and a team cutting a guy right before his roster bonus is due?
Contract terms allow cutting. The deal with Leach is he won his case so he should be able to enforce the contract. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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I get the reasons are dumb, but when you have a hardon for someone you'll take any chance you can to get rid of them. :cough:Jon88:cough: :lol

But my point is, they put his extra money on a deadline that he agreed they wouldn't pay that money if he wasn't the coach by then. Well, he wasn't. So he doesn't get it.
 
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I get the reasons are dumb, but when you have a hardon for someone you'll take any chance you can to get rid of them. :cough:Jon88:cough: :lol
Toufuckingche.
 

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Fine. Let's do this..... again.

They owe him the money cause it's the right thing to do. They fired like the day before it was due to him, and fired him for bullshit lies spread by a boy and his douchebag daddeh.

They should pay him the money.
Um no. As the head of an organization you have to positively represent your school in the face of serious allegations. There were several factors leading up to the moment were important too.

The facts are this:

1. Leach had be trolling for jobs all over the country for years. He didn't really want to be a Tech. Every year he interviewed and called teams to check interest. When Hance struck a last minute deal with Leach in his last (extremely big) contract Tech wanted a commitment. Stay and stop flirting with other schools each offseason. Leach had earned his paycheck but uit is hard for a conservative school like Tech to commit millions and years to someone who looked around every offseason. BTW, nobody else wanted him or offered him a job because he was weird, insubordinate and refused to raise money.

2. Leach fell asleep at the wheel after winning the Big 12 and getting dangerously close to going to the big dance. He could have turned up the heat and made big splashed in recruiting, improve the program and all of that. He didn't cash in the chips. His ego basically grew and he became ever lazier in his recruiting approach. All we ever heard was how you can't recruit to west Texas. Excuses. Example: Briles won some big games and quickly turned it around on the recruiting trail. He took his success and ran with it. Leach didn't He followed up his best year with a mediocre year. Lazy. Egocentric. Dumbo Tuberville out recruited Leach. That is sad. A 33 year old kid out recruits Leach making no excuses or apologies for Lubbock. Leach got the big paycheck and stuck his middle finger up at those who made it happen for him.

3. Leach had chances to make it right. When the allegations came out he was given multiple chances to smooth it over. Tech was looking at a PR crisis on a national scale and possible lawsuits. All he had to do was give a little. When things came out they asked him to sign something stating that he wouldn't punish an injured kid again. He said F you. He was asked several times. He said F you. He was warned if he didn't cooperate he would be suspended. He sad F you. He was suspended as warned. Then he sued his employer and was rightfully fired. I'm sorry, you don't sue your employer and then keep your job. That is stupid. At that point Tech decided the Leach should F himself, his salary and his bonus. Rightfully so.

Let me put you in the same place. Say one of your subordinates at Tech is accused of something and it needs to be handled. You try to broker a deal that saves Tech's face by simply asking the employee to sign some BS agreement. Say said employee bucks up to you. What are you going to do at that point? Say never mind all is well? Say said employee literally tells you to go F youself (Leach did that). Say said employee the sues the school. Do you expect that employee to keep his job an benefits? Of course not.

I have no doubt that the James deal was overblown. I have no doubt that Leach did to James what a thousand coaches have done before. I have no doubt that James was a punk. And his dad. That's not even the point. The point is that Leach had to respond to the charges in a way that helped the situation. The bottom line was that Leach didn't lock anyone anywhere? Nope. Did he sort of ostracize an injured kid? Yes. Would it have been fine had the kid's daddy not got involved? Absolutely.


I know I'm rambling but I'll give you another personal example. When I was the HC and football director at a private school I had a blow-up. Basically the kids were being stupid and lazy in practice. Eventually I blow up. I took my knee scooter by the handle bars and body slammed it on the practice field beyond it being able to operate any longer. I went on a cussing tirade that you can't really do (and get caught) at a private school. Some little brat told his parents. Those parents went to the head of the school and reported it. Now, the head of the school knew all of this before I was reported. He didn't say a word until he had to respond to my screw up. He wrote me up and explained he had to do it and we needed to keep things as clean as possible. I agreed and we moved on. Had I told them to F off it would have probably became a bigger deal.
 

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Contract terms allow cutting. The deal with Leach is he won his case so he should be able to enforce the contract. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
He won what case?
 

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So, he had been looking at other job opportunities, didn't recruit like you would have liked, and wouldn't apologize for something he didn't do.

Got it.
 

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[MENTION=21]Iamtdg[/MENTION]. You just had to go wind him up.
 

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[MENTION=21]Iamtdg[/MENTION]. You just had to go wind him up.
He was begging me! It was pathetic and I felt bad for him.
 

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So, he had been looking at other job opportunities, didn't recruit like you would have liked, and wouldn't apologize for something he didn't do.

Got it.
Insubordination. What about that is hard to understand? Did he tell his boss to F himself? Explain to me a scenario where a person keeps his job after that. I have no doubt that after that point Hance made up his mind that he wasn't keeping his job or his bonus. Seems fair to me. A bonus is something that you get after completing certain goals. Leach thought he was invincible and got his ass fired. He lost a ton of money as a result. He is not owed the next year because he never started that year.
 

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I get the reasons are dumb, but when you have a hardon for someone you'll take any chance you can to get rid of them. :cough:Jon88:cough: :lol

But my point is, if they put him extra money on a deadline than he agreed he wouldn't pay that money if he wasn't the coach by then. Well, he wasn't. So he doesn't get it.
Pretty much. Bonus opportunity is over.

Every court possible agrees that he was rightfully fired. Why would Tech want to pay him the bonus that they aren't contractually obligated to? That seems wasteful.
 

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BTW, the RB recruit that I am talking about would have won the Big 12 with his high school 200 meter time.
 

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Yes. He broke himself in multiple lawsuits and lost every single one of them and the appeals.
Okay. I was under the impression he won but wasn't sure. That's why I said someone would let me know. Thanks.
 

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Insubordination. What about that is hard to understand? Did he tell his boss to F himself? Explain to me a scenario where a person keeps his job after that. I have no doubt that after that point Hance made up his mind that he wasn't keeping his job or his bonus. Seems fair to me. A bonus is something that you get after completing certain goals. Leach thought he was invincible and got his ass fired. He lost a ton of money as a result. He is not owed the next year because he never started that year.
If my boss told me I had to apologize for something I didn't do, I would tell him to go F himself, too.
 
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