No Conditioning Tests to Start Camp

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According to Garrett he was concerned that the test may have caused some injuries last year with players pushing themselves too hard to pass it. So the players took it upon themselves instead to get everyone to do the test prior to camp. I think the intention of the players was correct but at the same time it comes off as a little defiant.
You're going to have to explain where the defiance is coming from. I'm not seeing it. They would have to take the test either way. Either at VR or once they got to training camp.

I see it as they wanted to come together to take the test early, and get it out of the way.
 

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You're going to have to explain where the defiance is coming from. I'm not seeing it. They would have to take the test either way. Either at VR or once they got to training camp.

I see it as they wanted to come together to take the test early, and get it out of the way.
I don't see it as defiance really either but Garrett had canceled the tests, they weren't going to do them
 

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I think some of the veterans decided it's time to let the newbies and younger guys know that they will be under team mate scrutiny.
 

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I don't see it as defiance really either but Garrett had canceled the tests, they weren't going to do them
Huh. I missed that.

The article I read said they'd either be taking the test in VR or in Oxnard once camp started.
 

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Does it say anywhere if he told them before they ran it?
Yes. He did.

“When Coach said we weren’t going to have a conditioning test this year, a couple of the older guys wanted to make sure that we had everybody in the right shape,’’ center Travis Frederick said.
 

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Does it say anywhere if he told them before they ran it?
Sounds like he did

“When Coach said we weren’t going to have a conditioning test this year, a couple of the older guys wanted to make sure that we had everybody in the right shape,’’ center Travis Frederick said.

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You're going to have to explain where the defiance is coming from. I'm not seeing it. They would have to take the test either way. Either at VR or once they got to training camp.

I see it as they wanted to come together to take the test early, and get it out of the way.
Or it can be seen as the players thinking they know better what is good for them.

If Garrett were truly this dynamic Tom Landry like leader, would this be happening?

Nope.

But I think you can see what is being built here.
 

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Was Jason Garrett testing Cowboys' commitment by canceling sprints? If so, 75 passed with flying colors

DAVID MOORE

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Published: 22 July 2014 10:54 PM

Updated: 23 July 2014 12:40 AM

OXNARD, Calif. — Not all tests are about conditioning as players prepare for the grind of training camp. Head coaches have been known to structure an exam to gauge accountability and commitment.

The Cowboys passed with flying colors before their plane landed in Southern California on Tuesday afternoon.

The series of 20 sprints that players are customarily required to complete during their first full day of training camp has been canceled. Head coach Jason Garrett informed the team of his decision before it left for Oxnard.

Tight end Jason Witten and other veteran players responded by conducting the sessions on their own Monday at Valley Ranch.

“When Coach said we weren’t going to have a conditioning test this year, a couple of the older guys wanted to make sure that we had everybody in the right shape,’’ center Travis Frederick said. “Sometimes if you don’t do it, you’re not in the right shape and you’re not ready to practice.

“When you come out and practice as hard as we do and you do it as much as you do during training camp, that’s when it leads to guys getting hurt.’’

Roughly 75 players showed up at the team’s practice facility to run the sprints. It was a statement to one another about how seriously they take this camp and the upcoming season.

“When the players get together and do something like that I think that it shows there’s a level of maturity,’’ Frederick said. “There’s a level of work and a level of expectations.

“Coach says there’s no conditioning test and we could easily just not do it and everybody is like, ‘Oh yeah, it’s great. We don’t have to do it.’ But are you going to be ready? Are you ready to work? Are you ready to come out and practice as hard as we need to practice to make ourselves into the caliber of team we want to be?’’

Safety Barry Church said it’s about camaraderie.

“I feel like it’s showing that the players are trying to make this team our own and go out there and have our own type of identity,’’ Church said.

The ownership theme is one Frederick echoes.

“I think that the coaches see how much the players want to win,’’ Frederick said. “The players want to work. That’s not always the case. So when they see that they kind of give it to the players a little bit so they can take that and move forward.

“I think that’s when the team takes a step forward.’’

The Cowboys are desperate to take a step forward after finishing 8-8 for three consecutive seasons. Questions abound on the defensive side of the ball after a historically dreadful group lost some of its best players.

“I felt that going into OTAs [organized team activities] until I saw the work ethic everybody has out there,’’ Church said. “They’re ready to go as much as I’m ready to go. I know they’ll have my back.

“I’m looking forward to it.’’

The players believe the groundwork for improvement was laid with the work they put in during the off-season. Now, it’s time to bring that attitude to training camp and move forward.

“I can speak especially for the offensive line and tell you that our group has put in the work and we’re ready to go,’’ Frederick said. “I know that we’ve seen that throughout the other [groups].

“We don’t always get to work out with everybody else but every chance that I’ve seen guys are in here working, they’re working extra and guys are excited and ready to go.’’

The players passed the first test administered by Garrett before this camp officially got underway.

There will be plenty more over the next 24 days before the Cowboys break camp and return home.
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And who says the media is all evil.

The idea that they can suggest that it was just a clever way for Garrett to test the resolve of the players makes me laugh and laugh and laugh.
 

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Huh. I missed that.

The article I read said they'd either be taking the test in VR or in Oxnard once camp started.
Garrett was on ESPN earlier today talking about how he canceled it because he believe it put players last year at additional risk for injuries. The fact that the players did it even when the coach said it was too risky is a bit of a move of defiance.
 

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Garrett was on ESPN earlier today talking about how he canceled it because he believe it put players last year at additional risk for injuries. The fact that the players did it even when the coach said it was too risky is a bit of a move of defiance.
That tells me the team has next to zero confidence in their training staff and program.

All teams now have limited access to the players like in year's past. We have an unfrozen caveman strength coach who apparently can't keep up. Woicik was the shit back in the day, but apparently can't deal with things now.
 

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Garrett was on ESPN earlier today talking about how he canceled it because he believe it put players last year at additional risk for injuries. The fact that the players did it even when the coach said it was too risky is a bit of a move of defiance.
Still don't see the defiance of it. Defiance would be doing something to show somebody up. How are they showing up Garrett by still doing the test? It's not like this is something they'd enjoy doing. If anything, I'd say it's veterans trying to take charge and show a little leadership. Something that people say has been missing for too long.
 

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That tells me the team has next to zero confidence in their training staff and program.
It also tells me that they have zero respect for their coach and his wishes.
 

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Still don't see the defiance of it. Defiance would be doing something to show somebody up. How are they showing up Garrett by still doing the test? It's not like this is something they'd enjoy doing. If anything, I'd say it's veterans trying to take charge and show a little leadership. Something that people say has been missing for too long.
If your coach tells you not to ride a motorcycle because it is dangerous and you could hurt yourself and yet you do it anyway, that's a sign of defiance.

Really no different here. The biggest difference is I like that fact that players are holding each other accountable by making sure that everyone is staying in shape and doing the conditioning drill regardless. Again, I like the fact that the players are pushing themselves even though the coaches are backing off. I don't have a problem with the defiance in this case. It shows more mental toughness then I thought these players had.
 

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If your coach tells you not to ride a motorcycle because it is dangerous and you could hurt yourself and yet you do it anyway, that's a sign of defiance.

Really no different here. The biggest difference is I like that fact that players are holding each other accountable by making sure that everyone is staying in shape and doing the conditioning drill regardless. Again, I like the fact that the players are pushing themselves even though the coaches are backing off. I don't have a problem with the defiance in this case. It shows more mental toughness then I thought these players had.
It also suggests the lunatics are running the asylum.

I go by Parcells' rule...players don't know what is best for them.

In this case, apparently they do, and that is a clear sign of how weak our coaching staff is. Specifically Garrett.
 

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If your coach tells you not to ride a motorcycle because it is dangerous and you could hurt yourself and yet you do it anyway, that's a sign of defiance.

Really no different here.
I guess you missed where I said it's not like they would enjoy doing the test when they chose to do it. Like, you know, they'd enjoy riding a motorcycle.

So yeah, difference.

Unless of course, you actually think they would enjoy running those sprints.
 

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So, how do we gauge the players conditioning prior to camp? Aren't condition tests pretty common?
 
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