At least 80% of all audio calls, not just metadata, are recorded and stored in the US

[Clay_Allison]

I like how you think that paranoia is the only reason to want to limit the government's power.

 

[Kbrown]

I like how you think that paranoia is the only reason to want to limit the government's power.

Are you talking to me? I was commenting on this Jon person's being on a watch list. Because the state is threatened by him. And stuff.

 

[Cotton]

Are you talking to me? I was commenting on this Jon person's being on a watch list. Because the state is threatened by him. And stuff.

He's also important enough that the gov't is monitoring all of his phone calls and watching him like a hawk. And stuff.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Are you talking to me? I was commenting on this Jon person's being on a watch list. Because the state is threatened by him. And stuff.

Yeah, but you are always condescending to anyone who dares to think that everyone in the government isn't kind and benevolent and above reproach. You always have some kind of sarcastic "OMGZ TEH GOVNERMENT SUCZORZ" drive by comment about anyone who is dissatisfied with anything. Maybe you feel that the Divine Right of Kings mean everybody from the mayor up to the president was chosen by God, but enough people in this country think the government is doing a bad job that we may have a point that isn't as easily dismissable as you like to act.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Yeah, but you are always condescending to anyone who dares to think that everyone in the government isn't kind and benevolent and above reproach. You always have some kind of sarcastic "OMGZ TEH GOVNERMENT SUCZORZ" drive by comment about anyone who is dissatisfied with anything. Maybe you feel that the Divine Right of Kings mean everybody from the mayor up to the president was chosen by God, but enough people in this country think the government is doing a bad job that we may have a point that isn't as easily dismissable as you like to act.

Tell me Clay. Is there another place that you can think of even with all its faults that you had rather be? You come across at times like there is a better place you have been displaced from. I'm not being rude or sarcastic I just wonder why everything is negative.

 

[jeebs]

Tell me Clay. Is there another place that you can think of even with all its faults that you had rather be? You come across at times like there is a better place you have been displaced from. I'm not being rude or sarcastic I just wonder why everything is negative.

I think there are a dozen or two places that are better to deal with police at. But fuck that, this is Gods country, there is no better place to be.

 

[Jon88]

Have to love paranoia mixed with self-importance.

I read deh Prison Planet and don't get muh kids vaccinated, so I know Obama's out to get me!

I said in jest. I'm not that important, but I do post the same things on Facebook that I do here and I know someone somewhere has seen it.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Tell me Clay. Is there another place that you can think of even with all its faults that you had rather be? You come across at times like there is a better place you have been displaced from. I'm not being rude or sarcastic I just wonder why everything is negative.

I know this country has gotten worse in my lifetime, over your lifetime it's gotten much worse. The better place I was displaced from is pre-2000 America, when this country had a middle class.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I know this country has gotten worse in my lifetime, over your lifetime it's gotten much worse. The better place I was displaced from is pre-2000 America, when this country had a middle class.

Can't disagree with that. But I am still a very fortunate man. I remember a world before the atomic bomb but it's gone. I do see a trend in people taking for granted all the things that have made this country great over the years and their disrespect for the sacrifices that have been made to try to keep it that way. I do get frustrated sometime myself at the academic criticisms without the first hand knowledge of facts. Oh well the generation gap has been around for a while. Maybe it is catching up to some.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Can't disagree with that. But I am still a very fortunate man. I remember a world before the atomic bomb but it's gone. I do see a trend in people taking for granted all the things that have made this country great over the years and their disrespect for the sacrifices that have been made to try to keep it that way. I do get frustrated sometime myself at the academic criticisms without the first hand knowledge of facts. Oh well the generation gap has been around for a while. Maybe it is catching up to some.

It's the social gap that caught up to me. My wife and I are making considerably more money than my parents were when I was in high school, but they owned a house and much newer cars. Houses, cars, food, and gas are much more expensive than they were even when I was a kid and I'm only 32, and wages are not keeping up. Just around here houses that would have gone for 30-35k when I was in high school are up around 150k. Unless you bought your house a long time ago, you're going to bleed to death trying to live like the middle class used to only 15-20 years ago.

 

[jeebs]

It's the social gap that caught up to me. My wife and I are making considerably more money than my parents were when I was in high school, but they owned a house and much newer cars. Houses, cars, food, and gas are much more expensive than they were even when I was a kid and I'm only 32, and wages are not keeping up. Just around here houses that would have gone for 30-35k when I was in high school are up around 150k. Unless you bought your house a long time ago, you're going to bleed to death trying to live like the middle class used to only 15-20 years ago.

White mans wages been frozen since 1970, while the rest of America is lucky to have the buying power of 1990.

Liberals just dont get how they are destroying the earning power of a country. If we had a 4 percent growth rate since the 90's (instead of a 2%), the economy would be damn near 80% bigger than it currently is. But we just keep shaving a little bit more and a little bit more off the economy for entitlements and welfare. then we wonder how the average man's life isnt improving like it should.

 

[L.T. Fan]

It's the social gap that caught up to me. My wife and I are making considerably more money than my parents were when I was in high school, but they owned a house and much newer cars. Houses, cars, food, and gas are much more expensive than they were even when I was a kid and I'm only 32, and wages are not keeping up. Just around here houses that would have gone for 30-35k when I was in high school are up around 150k. Unless you bought your house a long time ago, you're going to bleed to death trying to live like the middle class used to only 15-20 years ago.

Thanks you. I have no word for you except I wish better for you in the future.

 

[L.T. Fan]

White mans wages been frozen since 1970, while the rest of America is lucky to have the buying power of 1990.

Liberals just dont get how they are destroying the earning power of a country. If we had a 4 percent growth rate since the 90's (instead of a 2%), the economy would be damn near 80% bigger than it currently is. But we just keep shaving a little bit more and a little bit more off the economy for entitlements and welfare. then we wonder how the average man's life isnt improving like it should.

It is ruining this economic system. Productivity is the inertia for this system and it is eroding considerably. Socialistic views of entitlement is encouraging the rumination of productivity.

 

[L.T. Fan]

White mans wages been frozen since 1970, while the rest of America is lucky to have the buying power of 1990.

Liberals just dont get how they are destroying the earning power of a country. If we had a 4 percent growth rate since the 90's (instead of a 2%), the economy would be damn near 80% bigger than it currently is. But we just keep shaving a little bit more and a little bit more off the economy for entitlements and welfare. then we wonder how the average man's life isnt improving like it should.

It is ruining this economic system. Productivity is the inertia for this system and it is eroding considerably. Socialistic views of entitlement is encouraging the rumination of productivity.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Do I get a A for a double?

 

[Kbrown]

Yeah, but you are always condescending to anyone who dares to think that everyone in the government isn't kind and benevolent and above reproach. You always have some kind of sarcastic "OMGZ TEH GOVNERMENT SUCZORZ" drive by comment about anyone who is dissatisfied with anything. Maybe you feel that the Divine Right of Kings mean everybody from the mayor up to the president was chosen by God, but enough people in this country think the government is doing a bad job that we may have a point that isn't as easily dismissable as you like to act.

I suspect I offended you in the cop thread, and I am sorry. I mean that sincerely.

But come on, man. You have been here long enough to see me engage rationally and sometimes at length on about every conceivable issue. Sometimes I feel like delivering a thesis. Other times I am going to be snarky and snipe. If you think I am going engage this Jon person and his Infowars text walls followed by vapid commentary as if I am guest hosting Firing Line, I don't know what to tell you.

If I must offer a manifesto, as I have said before, in practice I would call myself a localist. I am pro-decentralization and, when given the opportunity, will vote against federal surveillance programs and the like. Although, I do have a general distaste for self-appointed freedom warriors who toss around terms like "police state" to lend their internet mission heightened importance. I also find myself disillusioned and frankly disengaged, as I don't align comfortably with either political party, and don't associate every legal boundary placed on stuff people really like to do with oppression, the way libertarians and the other third parties do.

On the subject of policing, I support a camera on every policeman, as I mentioned previously. I agree with you about scaling back no-knock warrants. And I think a hidden issue with police departments is the over-emphasis on hiring former military. But I tend not to take every anecdote about a bad egg as a sign that our entire law enforcement system needs a radical overhaul, and I think police on the regular do a very dangerous (despite Jeebs' best attempts to paint it otherwise), very necessary job.

Good enough?

 

[Jon88]

It's the social gap that caught up to me. My wife and I are making considerably more money than my parents were when I was in high school, but they owned a house and much newer cars. Houses, cars, food, and gas are much more expensive than they were even when I was a kid and I'm only 32, and wages are not keeping up. Just around here houses that would have gone for 30-35k when I was in high school are up around 150k. Unless you bought your house a long time ago, you're going to bleed to death trying to live like the middle class used to only 15-20 years ago.

I'm 31 and in the same boat. I picked a bad time to graduate college - 2009. Hopefully I'll at least start paying on a house in a year or two.

 

[jeebs]

I suspect I offended you in the cop thread, and I am sorry. I mean that sincerely.

But come on, man. You have been here long enough to see me engage rationally and sometimes at length on about every conceivable issue. Sometimes I feel like delivering a thesis. Other times I am going to be snarky and snipe. If you think I am going engage this Jon person and his Infowars text walls followed by vapid commentary as if I am guest hosting Firing Line, I don't know what to tell you.

If I must offer a manifesto, as I have said before, in practice I would call myself a localist. I am pro-decentralization and, when given the opportunity, will vote against federal surveillance programs and the like. Although, I do have a general distaste for self-appointed freedom warriors who toss around terms like "police state" to lend their internet mission heightened importance. I also find myself disillusioned and frankly disengaged, as I don't align comfortably with either political party, and don't associate every legal boundary placed on stuff people really like to do with oppression, the way libertarians and the other third parties do.

On the subject of policing, I support a camera on every policeman, as I mentioned previously. I agree with you about scaling back no-knock warrants. And I think a hidden issue with police departments is the over-emphasis on hiring former military. But I tend not to take every anecdote about a bad egg as a sign that our entire law enforcement system needs a radical overhaul, and I think police on the regular do a very dangerous (despite Jeebs' best attempts to paint it otherwise), very necessary job.

Good enough?

Good post, but as far as the bold goes, their job has never ever been safer and no body gives crab fisherman a pass on murder

 

[Jon88]

I know this country has gotten worse in my lifetime, over your lifetime it's gotten much worse. The better place I was displaced from is pre-2000 America, when this country had a middle class.

I loved the 90s. Since 9/11/01 it's all gone downhill.

 

[jeebs]

I loved the 90s. Since 9/11/01 it's all gone downhill.

Well, except the crime rate (or maybe you would say it has gone down hill with the way it has dropped