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Might be but Lee wasn't available much of last year and it can't get much worse than it was.
Sean Lee Watch Thread...
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but wouldn't we also have to work out an injury settlement then?
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This is really just one more step towards Jameis in '15. That's okay with me.
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I guess we missed out on Vince Young the first time, better catch him the second time around...
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Sean Lee and the Unhappy Triad
Posted on May 28, 2014 by Jeff Stotts
Linebacker Sean Lee has been the motor of the Dallas Cowboys defense since taking over the starting position in 2011. Unfortunately injuries have limited his availability as he has suffered a myriad of significant ailments. Since being drafted in 2010, Lee has suffered a shoulder contusion, concussion, dislocated wrist, torn ligaments in his toe, and a sprained neck. His lower extremities muscles have also been a problem as he has strained his quad, hamstring (three times), and lower back.
Hoping to be a weapon in the 2014 season, Lee returned to the field for the first organized team activity on Tuesday. His return was brief as he was helped off the field after participating in a drill with the offensive live.
The diagnosis is bleak with Mike Fisher of 105.3 The Fan and DallasBasketball.com reporting the team fears Lee suffered multiple injuries to his left knee that make up the “Unhappy Triad.” The so-called Triad includes damage to the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), the medial collateral ligament (MCL), and the medial meniscus.
The ACL and MCL are two of the four primary stabilizing ligaments in the knee. Together, along with the two cartilage menisci, they are designed to prevent excessive movement of the knee and absorb the various stress placed on and through the joint. However if the force or stress applied to the knee is excessive and forces the ligaments beyond their yield point, the ligament tears. An injury to the MCL often includes medial meniscus damage, as fibers of the ligament are attached to the disc.
The unhappy triad often occurs when the joint is twisted and an outside load is placed through the knee. In football, this is a common occurrence as a player’s leg rotates while planted just as a player or teammate falls onto the outside portion of the knee. The list of players to suffer the triad is lengthy and includes players like Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady, and Rob Gronkowski.
The ACL tear and medial meniscus damage require surgery to fix while the MCL is often left to heal without surgical intervention. The expected recovery for an injury of this magnitude is generally eight months yet players like Peterson and Wes Welker have pushed the limits and returned in as little as six months. However these two are the exception and not the norm and Dallas will likely be without Lee’s services for the entire 2014 season.
Lee will have a dubious advantage entering rehab since he has experienced the injury before. He missed the entire 2008 collegiate season after tearing his right ACL in the offseason. He also suffered a Grade 2 ACL sprain in his left knee during his time at Penn State. Surgery will be performed in the near future, depending on the final evaluation. An isolated ACL tear would allow surgery to be performed earlier, though it would do little to improve Lee’s overall timeline. Now with the draft over and training camp on the horizon, the Cowboys will be forced to scramble for a replacement. Hopefully it will be one that can stay on the field and out of the athletic training room.
http://instreetclothes.com/2014/05/28/sean-lee-unhappy-triad/
Posted on May 28, 2014 by Jeff Stotts
Linebacker Sean Lee has been the motor of the Dallas Cowboys defense since taking over the starting position in 2011. Unfortunately injuries have limited his availability as he has suffered a myriad of significant ailments. Since being drafted in 2010, Lee has suffered a shoulder contusion, concussion, dislocated wrist, torn ligaments in his toe, and a sprained neck. His lower extremities muscles have also been a problem as he has strained his quad, hamstring (three times), and lower back.
Hoping to be a weapon in the 2014 season, Lee returned to the field for the first organized team activity on Tuesday. His return was brief as he was helped off the field after participating in a drill with the offensive live.
The diagnosis is bleak with Mike Fisher of 105.3 The Fan and DallasBasketball.com reporting the team fears Lee suffered multiple injuries to his left knee that make up the “Unhappy Triad.” The so-called Triad includes damage to the anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), the medial collateral ligament (MCL), and the medial meniscus.
The ACL and MCL are two of the four primary stabilizing ligaments in the knee. Together, along with the two cartilage menisci, they are designed to prevent excessive movement of the knee and absorb the various stress placed on and through the joint. However if the force or stress applied to the knee is excessive and forces the ligaments beyond their yield point, the ligament tears. An injury to the MCL often includes medial meniscus damage, as fibers of the ligament are attached to the disc.
The unhappy triad often occurs when the joint is twisted and an outside load is placed through the knee. In football, this is a common occurrence as a player’s leg rotates while planted just as a player or teammate falls onto the outside portion of the knee. The list of players to suffer the triad is lengthy and includes players like Adrian Peterson, Tom Brady, and Rob Gronkowski.
The ACL tear and medial meniscus damage require surgery to fix while the MCL is often left to heal without surgical intervention. The expected recovery for an injury of this magnitude is generally eight months yet players like Peterson and Wes Welker have pushed the limits and returned in as little as six months. However these two are the exception and not the norm and Dallas will likely be without Lee’s services for the entire 2014 season.
Lee will have a dubious advantage entering rehab since he has experienced the injury before. He missed the entire 2008 collegiate season after tearing his right ACL in the offseason. He also suffered a Grade 2 ACL sprain in his left knee during his time at Penn State. Surgery will be performed in the near future, depending on the final evaluation. An isolated ACL tear would allow surgery to be performed earlier, though it would do little to improve Lee’s overall timeline. Now with the draft over and training camp on the horizon, the Cowboys will be forced to scramble for a replacement. Hopefully it will be one that can stay on the field and out of the athletic training room.
http://instreetclothes.com/2014/05/28/sean-lee-unhappy-triad/
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They don't look like the same player to me at all.
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Next year the Cowboys should approach the MLB position as if Sean Lee is not on the roster. If that means signing a capable FA and/or using another mid-round pick on a MLB so be it.
I'm done with the guy. I'm not advocating cutting Sean Lee and eating all that money but I'm done hanging my hopes on the pipe dream that he'll one day be healthy enough to play an entire season w/o significant injury.
If he can actually man up an play a full season we'll all be pleasantly surprised but we all know that likely won't happen. What's likely to happen is Lee will return, play roughly 9 games before tearing a bicep muscle or some shat.
I'm done with the guy. I'm not advocating cutting Sean Lee and eating all that money but I'm done hanging my hopes on the pipe dream that he'll one day be healthy enough to play an entire season w/o significant injury.
If he can actually man up an play a full season we'll all be pleasantly surprised but we all know that likely won't happen. What's likely to happen is Lee will return, play roughly 9 games before tearing a bicep muscle or some shat.
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I used to want Jameis but I'm really starting to question his intelligence and character.
I do love that he's been a football junkie since he was a young kid. That's definitely a trait I want in my QB, someone who genuinely loves the game.
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Gosselin: Cowboys knew Sean Lee's injury history; they took the risk and are paying for it
Rick Gosselin
rgosselin@dallasnews.com
Published: 27 May 2014 08:02 PM
Updated: 28 May 2014 07:38 AM
There was no denying his talent.
Even at a school dubbed “Linebacker U,” Sean Lee was special.
Lee was a three-year starter at Penn State, an All-Big Ten selection as a junior and a team captain as a senior. He left Penn State as the school’s fourth all-time leading tackler ahead of such luminaries as Pro Football Hall of Famer Jack Ham, College Football Hall of Famer Shane Conlan and NFL Pro Bowlers Matt Millen, LaVar Arrington and NaVorro Bowman.
But the NFL didn’t focus on his tackling ability in the draft research of Lee in 2010. The focus was on his knees. Medical staffs spent almost as much time studying Lee as scouting staffs. He was considered fragile.
But the Cowboys looked past his medical history and drafted the talent, believing they stole a first-round value in the second round when they claimed Lee with the 55th overall pick.
Lee became a starter in his second season in 2011 — but missed a game that year with a dislocated wrist, 10 more in 2012 with ligament damage in his big toe and five more in 2013 with hamstring and neck injuries.
His run of hard luck continued Tuesday when Lee suffered a knee injury in a noncontact passing drill on the very first day of the club’s organized team activities. He underwent an MRI in the evening and, according to sources, was told that he had suffered a torn left ACL and is expected to miss the season.
The injury was a flashback to his days at Penn State when he missed the entire 2008 season after tearing his right ACL in another a noncontact drill in the spring, then missed three more games in 2009 with a sprain to his left ACL. Tuesday’s injury was to his left knee.
I went back through my draft notes of 2010, and the red flags were everywhere. The talent evaluators raved about Lee’s ability but couched just about every comment with his medical history.
“I love him as a player,” one NFL GM said, “He can coach your whole defense. But he’s slight [6-2, 236], so durability is an issue. I’m not sure he can last on the inside in this league.”
“Helluva player,” said an NFL defensive coordinator, “but those knees are a concern.”
Dan Connor finished his career as Penn State’s all-time leader in tackles with 419 and became a third-round pick in the 2008 NFL draft. Paul Posluszny finished second on the school’s tackle list with 372 and became a second-round pick in the 2007 draft. Both were two-time All-Americans at Penn State.
Connor, Lee and Posluszny all started together at Penn State in 2006.
“He’s better than either Connor or Posluszny,” an NFL personnel director said, “He has great hands and great instincts. But we have medical concerns. I wish he was stouter.”
“He’s the best linebacker in this draft,” another NFL defensive coordinator said. “But can he stay on the field for you?”
The answer is no.
Lee is everything the Cowboys believed he would be as a player. He led the team in tackles (131) and interceptions (four) in his first season as a starter in 2011 and appeared headed for the Pro Bowl in his second season with 77 tackles and an interception through those first six games of 2012.
The Cowboys were so enthused with the progress Lee was making as an NFL linebacker that they rewarded him with a six-year, $42 million contract extension heading into the 2013 season.
But what other teams feared from Lee when they were dropping him down their draft boards — or removing him entirely — has also come to pass. He can’t stay healthy. And injured players can’t help you from the sidelines.
The last time Lee managed to stay healthy for a complete season was 2007.
Sean Lee is a terrific athlete. He was an all-state selection as a prep in both basketball and football growing up in Pennsylvania.
But terrific athletes abound in the NFL. What you need are healthy athletes to compete and win.
The Cowboys knew the risk when they drafted Lee. They took it. Now they are living that risk.
Rick Gosselin
rgosselin@dallasnews.com
Published: 27 May 2014 08:02 PM
Updated: 28 May 2014 07:38 AM
There was no denying his talent.
Even at a school dubbed “Linebacker U,” Sean Lee was special.
Lee was a three-year starter at Penn State, an All-Big Ten selection as a junior and a team captain as a senior. He left Penn State as the school’s fourth all-time leading tackler ahead of such luminaries as Pro Football Hall of Famer Jack Ham, College Football Hall of Famer Shane Conlan and NFL Pro Bowlers Matt Millen, LaVar Arrington and NaVorro Bowman.
But the NFL didn’t focus on his tackling ability in the draft research of Lee in 2010. The focus was on his knees. Medical staffs spent almost as much time studying Lee as scouting staffs. He was considered fragile.
But the Cowboys looked past his medical history and drafted the talent, believing they stole a first-round value in the second round when they claimed Lee with the 55th overall pick.
Lee became a starter in his second season in 2011 — but missed a game that year with a dislocated wrist, 10 more in 2012 with ligament damage in his big toe and five more in 2013 with hamstring and neck injuries.
His run of hard luck continued Tuesday when Lee suffered a knee injury in a noncontact passing drill on the very first day of the club’s organized team activities. He underwent an MRI in the evening and, according to sources, was told that he had suffered a torn left ACL and is expected to miss the season.
The injury was a flashback to his days at Penn State when he missed the entire 2008 season after tearing his right ACL in another a noncontact drill in the spring, then missed three more games in 2009 with a sprain to his left ACL. Tuesday’s injury was to his left knee.
I went back through my draft notes of 2010, and the red flags were everywhere. The talent evaluators raved about Lee’s ability but couched just about every comment with his medical history.
“I love him as a player,” one NFL GM said, “He can coach your whole defense. But he’s slight [6-2, 236], so durability is an issue. I’m not sure he can last on the inside in this league.”
“Helluva player,” said an NFL defensive coordinator, “but those knees are a concern.”
Dan Connor finished his career as Penn State’s all-time leader in tackles with 419 and became a third-round pick in the 2008 NFL draft. Paul Posluszny finished second on the school’s tackle list with 372 and became a second-round pick in the 2007 draft. Both were two-time All-Americans at Penn State.
Connor, Lee and Posluszny all started together at Penn State in 2006.
“He’s better than either Connor or Posluszny,” an NFL personnel director said, “He has great hands and great instincts. But we have medical concerns. I wish he was stouter.”
“He’s the best linebacker in this draft,” another NFL defensive coordinator said. “But can he stay on the field for you?”
The answer is no.
Lee is everything the Cowboys believed he would be as a player. He led the team in tackles (131) and interceptions (four) in his first season as a starter in 2011 and appeared headed for the Pro Bowl in his second season with 77 tackles and an interception through those first six games of 2012.
The Cowboys were so enthused with the progress Lee was making as an NFL linebacker that they rewarded him with a six-year, $42 million contract extension heading into the 2013 season.
But what other teams feared from Lee when they were dropping him down their draft boards — or removing him entirely — has also come to pass. He can’t stay healthy. And injured players can’t help you from the sidelines.
The last time Lee managed to stay healthy for a complete season was 2007.
Sean Lee is a terrific athlete. He was an all-state selection as a prep in both basketball and football growing up in Pennsylvania.
But terrific athletes abound in the NFL. What you need are healthy athletes to compete and win.
The Cowboys knew the risk when they drafted Lee. They took it. Now they are living that risk.
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Yeah, try again. They are not similar in the least.
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I'm pretty sure they are both black.
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I was just messing around but I'm not super high on Winston either. I think he will go in the upper portion of the first round but he isn't my favorite.
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Gosselin: With Bruce Carter, Sean Lee, Cowboys are set for next 6-7 years at ILB (Published November 13, 2012)
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20121113-gosselin-with-bruce-carter-sean-lee-cowboys-are-set-for-next-6-7-years-at-ilb.ece
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Typical. Sean Lee, Bruce Carter. Just more examples of Jerry trying to outsmart everyone but it ultimately blows up in his face.
The story of the Jerry 'doing it my way' Jones GM era. Reaches, busts, injury gambles, horrid trades, overpaying, retard extensions. And some still try to blame dumb luck for our 1 playoff win in 18 years.
The story of the Jerry 'doing it my way' Jones GM era. Reaches, busts, injury gambles, horrid trades, overpaying, retard extensions. And some still try to blame dumb luck for our 1 playoff win in 18 years.
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I like him better than Mariotta and I don't think there's going to be a Bortles out there to move ahead of them.
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Sources: Sean Lee told he has torn ACL, is expected to miss 2014 season
BRANDON GEORGE
Staff Writer
bgeorge@dallasnews.com
IRVING — The Cowboys were close to wrapping up a vibrant first off-season practice Tuesday. Then linebacker Sean Lee went down.
And an eerie silence draped the Valley Ranch field.
In a flash, the focus shifted from Tony Romo’s back to Lee’s left knee.
The oft-injured middle linebacker went to the ground with rookie right guard Zack Martin on top of him and didn’t get up right away. He had to be helped off the field.
Sources said Lee was told late Tuesday that results from an MRI exam showed that he suffered a torn left anterior cruciate ligament and that he’s expected to miss the entire 2014 season. The team was expected to make an official announcement Wednesday.
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett recently referred to Lee as the “heart and soul” of the defense. That was emphasized even more this off-season when the Cowboys cut ties with all-time sacks leader DeMarcus Ware.
The Cowboys had the worst defense in the NFL last season, and losing the unit’s best player for the season on the first day of noncontact organized team activities would be a devastating blow.
“He’s a special guy, and he’s had to deal with some adversity from an injury standpoint in his career before and he’s come back,” Garrett said, “and we’ll evaluate what happens and he’ll respond accordingly.”
Lee turns 28 in July. He’s entering his fifth season, and this is his sixth injury with the Cowboys. This will be the third consecutive year that Lee has suffered a season-ending injury. All told, he’s missed 18 games in four seasons.
Lee, who is typically cordial in all walks of life, reacted in a way leaving the field that spoke to his frustration and the severity of the injury.
Flanked by Cowboys athletic trainers, with an arm draped over the shoulders of each, Lee used several curse words — some directed toward himself and some not — as he was helped past a pack of media members holding up TV cameras and phones.
Lee was injured pursuing running back DeMarco Murray on a screen pass to the right flat during team drills. Lee went to plant his left foot to change directions, and his leg gave out on him.
“You don’t want to see any man go down like that,” defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli said.
Added Garrett: “We understand that we have helmets and jerseys on, and we really emphasize players staying off the ground and how you compete against each other. Injuries happen when guys hit the ground. We have to understand who we’re going against, how we’re going against them and making sure guys stay up.”
Lee appeared to slip forward just before Martin — the Cowboys’ first-round pick — engaged him and fell over the top of him, knocking Lee onto his left shoulder.
“I don’t really know what happened,” Martin said. “Two guys playing hard, running to the ball. I just hope for the best.”
Lee hung his head in disappointment as he was helped off the field. After Lee went down, safeties Barry Church and J.J. Wilcox reacted in disgust behind the play. Church bent over, with his hands on his knees, and ripped his chin strap loose from his helmet. Wilcox clapped his hands in anger, also ripping his chin strap off.
“It scared me,” cornerback Morris Claiborne added. “When I first saw him go down, I kind of held my breath. Sean, he’s a warrior, and he’ll be back as quick as he can.”
Last July, promising defensive lineman Tyrone Crawford was lost for the season during the first training camp practice when he tore his Achilles tendon during an individual drill.
Lee has suffered two hamstring injuries (2010 and 2013), a dislocated wrist (2011), torn big toe ligaments (2012) and a torn neck ligament (2013) during his Cowboys career.
He entered the NFL with a well-documented medical history. At Penn State, he missed the 2008 season after tearing his right ACL. In 2009, he sprained his left knee and missed three games.
Last summer, the Cowboys signed Lee to a six-year, $42 million contract extension, but he could earn up to $9 million more based on play-time incentives. Lee would earn an extra $1.5 million on his 2015 base salary if he played in 80 percent of the snaps in 2014.
Since signing his contract extension, Lee said over and over that now he just had to find a way to stay on the field.
“I have shown the ability to come back fully healthy and at times even better,” Lee said in January. “That’s something that I will continue to do.”
Staff writers David Moore and Rainer Sabin contributed to this report.
Lee's injury woes
Linebacker Sean Lee has yet to play a full season in the NFL after suffering multiple injuries. Here is a look at the injuries he’s suffered and the amount of time he’s missed:
Season, games missed, injury
2010, 2, Hamstring strain
2011, 1, Dislocated wrist
2012, 10, Torn toe ligaments/plantar plate*
2013, 2, Hamstring Strain
2013, 3, Torn neck ligament*
*Season-ending injury
BRANDON GEORGE
Staff Writer
bgeorge@dallasnews.com
IRVING — The Cowboys were close to wrapping up a vibrant first off-season practice Tuesday. Then linebacker Sean Lee went down.
And an eerie silence draped the Valley Ranch field.
In a flash, the focus shifted from Tony Romo’s back to Lee’s left knee.
The oft-injured middle linebacker went to the ground with rookie right guard Zack Martin on top of him and didn’t get up right away. He had to be helped off the field.
Sources said Lee was told late Tuesday that results from an MRI exam showed that he suffered a torn left anterior cruciate ligament and that he’s expected to miss the entire 2014 season. The team was expected to make an official announcement Wednesday.
Cowboys coach Jason Garrett recently referred to Lee as the “heart and soul” of the defense. That was emphasized even more this off-season when the Cowboys cut ties with all-time sacks leader DeMarcus Ware.
The Cowboys had the worst defense in the NFL last season, and losing the unit’s best player for the season on the first day of noncontact organized team activities would be a devastating blow.
“He’s a special guy, and he’s had to deal with some adversity from an injury standpoint in his career before and he’s come back,” Garrett said, “and we’ll evaluate what happens and he’ll respond accordingly.”
Lee turns 28 in July. He’s entering his fifth season, and this is his sixth injury with the Cowboys. This will be the third consecutive year that Lee has suffered a season-ending injury. All told, he’s missed 18 games in four seasons.
Lee, who is typically cordial in all walks of life, reacted in a way leaving the field that spoke to his frustration and the severity of the injury.
Flanked by Cowboys athletic trainers, with an arm draped over the shoulders of each, Lee used several curse words — some directed toward himself and some not — as he was helped past a pack of media members holding up TV cameras and phones.
Lee was injured pursuing running back DeMarco Murray on a screen pass to the right flat during team drills. Lee went to plant his left foot to change directions, and his leg gave out on him.
“You don’t want to see any man go down like that,” defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli said.
Added Garrett: “We understand that we have helmets and jerseys on, and we really emphasize players staying off the ground and how you compete against each other. Injuries happen when guys hit the ground. We have to understand who we’re going against, how we’re going against them and making sure guys stay up.”
Lee appeared to slip forward just before Martin — the Cowboys’ first-round pick — engaged him and fell over the top of him, knocking Lee onto his left shoulder.
“I don’t really know what happened,” Martin said. “Two guys playing hard, running to the ball. I just hope for the best.”
Lee hung his head in disappointment as he was helped off the field. After Lee went down, safeties Barry Church and J.J. Wilcox reacted in disgust behind the play. Church bent over, with his hands on his knees, and ripped his chin strap loose from his helmet. Wilcox clapped his hands in anger, also ripping his chin strap off.
“It scared me,” cornerback Morris Claiborne added. “When I first saw him go down, I kind of held my breath. Sean, he’s a warrior, and he’ll be back as quick as he can.”
Last July, promising defensive lineman Tyrone Crawford was lost for the season during the first training camp practice when he tore his Achilles tendon during an individual drill.
Lee has suffered two hamstring injuries (2010 and 2013), a dislocated wrist (2011), torn big toe ligaments (2012) and a torn neck ligament (2013) during his Cowboys career.
He entered the NFL with a well-documented medical history. At Penn State, he missed the 2008 season after tearing his right ACL. In 2009, he sprained his left knee and missed three games.
Last summer, the Cowboys signed Lee to a six-year, $42 million contract extension, but he could earn up to $9 million more based on play-time incentives. Lee would earn an extra $1.5 million on his 2015 base salary if he played in 80 percent of the snaps in 2014.
Since signing his contract extension, Lee said over and over that now he just had to find a way to stay on the field.
“I have shown the ability to come back fully healthy and at times even better,” Lee said in January. “That’s something that I will continue to do.”
Staff writers David Moore and Rainer Sabin contributed to this report.
Lee's injury woes
Linebacker Sean Lee has yet to play a full season in the NFL after suffering multiple injuries. Here is a look at the injuries he’s suffered and the amount of time he’s missed:
Season, games missed, injury
2010, 2, Hamstring strain
2011, 1, Dislocated wrist
2012, 10, Torn toe ligaments/plantar plate*
2013, 2, Hamstring Strain
2013, 3, Torn neck ligament*
*Season-ending injury