Gosselin: Why Cowboys made a mistake drafting DeMarcus Lawrence

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On the Cowboys drafting DeMarcus Lawrence:

Gosselin: "I cant give up a premium pick in a third rounder to move up in the second round. I have a tough time moving up from the second to the first to get a guy. the first three rounds are premium rounds and should be walk in starters on an average team. The Cowboys traded two of those starters for one. They told us last week that Lawrence probably wont start as he gets his strength up. He will be a designated pass rusher. I have a real problem with that move. He is going to have to elite player and double digit sack guy for along time to make up the fact they gave up two starters for him."

Fraley: "This guy isnt going to come close to replacing DeMarcus Ware. Thats a pipe dream. I would have taken Jeffcoat."

Gosselin: "Lawrence is undersized and doesnt have great speed. I think they should have taken Jeffcoat with one of those five picks in the seventh round. The Seahawks, who already have a great pass rush, took Jeffcoat. they saw a pass rusher and are going to make it work. The Cowboys shoud have taken Jeffcoat."
 

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I don't get the 2 for 1 thing. They only traded 1 extra pick. Switched picks and gave them one for it. Otherwise just a bunch of whining.
 

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Oh and Fraley needs to stick with baseball. Goose should retire as well.
 

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I liked Jeffcoat as much as anyone and I would have loved to take him in the seventh round. To equate Lawrence with Jeffcoat is one of the most retarded things I have ever read. I swear these guys would have all applauded if we took Jeffcoat in the second round without a trade up.

On a side note, I really wonder what the deal with Jeffcoat was. The guy had statistics and a strong family name. That's usually all you need to get drafted fairly high. There almost had to be something going on behind the scenes that we weren't aware of. Maybe the guy just doesn't really love football.
 

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I liked Jeffcoat as much as anyone and I would have loved to take him in the seventh round. To equate Lawrence with Jeffcoat is one of the most retarded things I have ever read. I swear these guys would have all applauded if we took Jeffcoat in the second round without a trade up.

On a side note, I really wonder what the deal with Jeffcoat was. The guy had statistics and a strong family name. That's usually all you need to get drafted fairly high. There almost had to be something going on behind the scenes that we weren't aware of. Maybe the guy just doesn't really love football.
I think he'd have to love football to gut it out through some tough injuries at UT. I think he wasn't drafted because he was covered in medical red flags.
 

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Goose is a contrarian. He'd have been happy had Dallas drafted Ealy in the 2nd and Jeffcoat in the 3rd, even though Jeffcoat went undrafted and he's now saying they should have taken him with one of their 7ths.

Like most pundits and everyone on this site, we haven't a fraction of the knowledge most NFL scouts have and each and every team passed on Jeffcoat for legit reasons.

That said, I happen to agree with Goose regarding the trade up for Lawrence. You don't trade two good players to sign a situational project just so you can claim you addressed the RDE position. On top of reaching for Lawrence, they wasted a really good draft pick.
 

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We as fans don't have access to the info scouts do. I think Jeffcoat's injury history got him taken off the draft board.

Quarles is more surprising to me.
 

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We as fans don't have access to the info scouts do. I think Jeffcoat's injury history got him taken off the draft board.

Quarles is more surprising to me.
That would make sense as well. If a guy has a degenerative condition or some type of a long term defect it can really cause their stock to plummet.
 

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At least we only wasted a 3rd. If we drafted Kony Ealy we'd have wasted a 2nd.
 

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At least we only wasted a 3rd. If we drafted Kony Ealy we'd have wasted a 2nd.
Busted.

But seriously this Ealy hatred is misplaced. The guy makes plays, is unselfish, and has the size and power to be a solid pro for years. No one slammed Clowney for only getting 3 sacks his senior year. All Ealy did was improve his sack total in his last year despite losing Sheldon Richardson as a teammate and make the most impact in the biggest games he played against top competition.

For some reason, people looked for reasons to slam him (run defense? 40 time?).

Lawrence reminds me of Bruce Irvin. Benched in favor of a bigger player and then converted to LB where he became a non-factor.
 

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We as fans don't have access to the info scouts do. I think Jeffcoat's injury history got him taken off the draft board.

Quarles is more surprising to me.
Wasn't to me. He was acting a fool along with CB Victor Hampton just a few weeks before the draft. Supposedly got "cleared" but did it's damage.
 

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I hate the idea of trading the third, but that whole idea of giving up a future choice for Trai Turner and having Ealy on the roster was revolting.

I would rather just roll with how things went. I certainly won't say it is a mistake. A real pass rusher was absolutely necessary and that guy is not Kony MFing Ealy.
 

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Busted.

But seriously this Ealy hatred is misplaced. The guy makes plays, is unselfish, and has the size and power to be a solid pro for years. No one slammed Clowney for only getting 3 sacks his senior year. All Ealy did was improve his sack total in his last year despite losing Sheldon Richardson as a teammate and make the most impact in the biggest games he played against top competition.

For some reason, people looked for reasons to slam him (run defense? 40 time?).

Lawrence reminds me of Bruce Irvin. Benched in favor of a bigger player and then converted to LB where he became a non-factor.
He's heavy and unathletic. He's always going to have too much lead in his ass to get around the edge in the NFL. For a DE to be a plus pass rusher at his size they need to be super athletes like Julius Peppers and Mario Williams. The only time you see those guys outside of the top 5 is when they are considered too raw (JPP and JJ Watt). You can get 5 sacks a year and some good play against the run out of the 4th round in most drafts and that's Ealy's ceiling IMO.
 

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I hate the idea of trading the third, but that whole idea of giving up a future choice for Trai Turner and having Ealy on the roster was revolting.

I would rather just roll with how things went. I certainly won't say it is a mistake. A real pass rusher was absolutely necessary and that guy is not Kony MFing Ealy.
They reached because they had to have a pass rusher. Calling Lawrence a 1st round pick and trading 2nd and 3rds to get him doesn't make him a 1st round caliber player.

At least with Ealy the draft would have come to them and they'd have had Turner too.

Not sure what makes Ealy "scum", BTW, or how Lawrence's undersized ass is so head and shoulders above either.
 

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The Cowboys gave up a prime third-round pick to help secure DeMarcus Lawrence. Will he be worth it?


Roughly a week ago, I posted an article taking an in-depth look at DeMarcus Lawrence, the Cowboys second-round pick. One of the reasons I wrote that piece was all the chatter around whether it was a good idea to swap second-round picks with Washington and give up a third-round pick to get Lawrence. The success of the Cowboys 2014 draft will largely hinge on the play of Lawrence.

Yesterday, respected Dallas scribe and draft guru Rick Gosselin came and out said the trade was a bad idea without any hesitation.

On the Cowboys drafting DeMarcus Lawrence: Gosselin: "I cant give up a premium pick in a third rounder to move up in the second round. I have a tough time moving up from the second to the first to get a guy. the first three rounds are premium rounds and should be walk in starters on an average team. The Cowboys traded two of those starters for one. They told us last week that Lawrence probably wont start as he gets his strength up. He will be a designated pass rusher. I have a real problem with that move. He is going to have to elite player and double digit sack guy for along time to make up the fact they gave up two starters for him."

Gosselin does offer the qualifier that if Lawrence does become an elite pass rusher for many seasons, then the move might be okay in his book. I don't think this is far from the truth. But what's intriguing to me is the next statement.

Gosselin: "Lawrence is undersized and doesnt have great speed. I think they should have taken [Jackson] Jeffcoat with one of those five picks in the seventh round. The Seahawks, who already have a great pass rush, took Jeffcoat. they saw a pass rusher and are going to make it work. The Cowboys shoud have taken Jeffcoat."

Before the draft, most draft experts had Jeffcoat pegged as a third- or fourth-round guy. Yet on draft weekend no team ever called his name. Even though he has an NFL pedigree through his father and had won awards and accolades at Texas. Gosselin's pushing for Jeffcoat is interesting because apparently all 32 teams didn't feel Jeffcoat was worth a pick. Even the pass-rush starved Cowboys didn't with multiple seventh-round picks. So how different are the two players?

If you just look at the measurables, not much. Here are their scouting combine numbers.
Measurables

Player Ht Wt Arm Length 40 Yard Dash 20 Yard Shuttle Bench Vertical Broad 3-Cone Drill

Jeffcoat 6'3'' 247 33 7/8'' 4.63s 4.18s 18 36in 10'3'' 6.97

Lawrence 6'3'' 251 33 3/4'' 4.80s 4.31s 20 34.5in 9'4'' 7.46

In many categories Jeffcoat actually has the edge over Lawrence. Jeffcoat has been labeled as a tweener even though his size and weight are not all that far from Lawrence.

But Stephen Jones said they thought that Jeffcoat just didn't fit their scheme. Why? Well, the best I can tell there are a couple of things that the Cowboys see in Lawrence that they might not have in Jeffcoat. One is his ability to dip on the edge and get around the corner. Here's a scouting report on Jeffcoat from NFL.com.

Very underdeveloped lower body and tight-hipped. Has been slowed by injuries throughout his career and it has affected his physical development. Lacks the base strength to set the edge. Gets rooted out of the hole vs. the double team. Cannot drop his hips and turn the corner. Very inconsistent effort -- average competitiveness and desire.

BOTTOM LINE Developmental 3-4 rush-linebacker prospect with the pedigree and sack production to warrant interest. However, Jeffcoat will need to get stronger and improve vs. the run to ever become more than a backup.

The Cowboys have raved about Lawrence's body control and ability to dip and get the corner. Seems like Jeffcoat may not have this skill. The other thing, which was also prominently mentioned in the Jeffcoat review, was his weak lower body. Not only did I find this at NFL.com, but SB Nation Texas blog, Burnt Orange Nation, had a write up on Jeffcoat pre-draft, and they brought out the same problem.

If there's one major red flag with Jeffcoat, it's his overall lack of strength that at times caused him to get washed out against the run and put up only 18 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press. There's little doubt that the two pectoral injuries in 2011 and 2012 that limited his offseason work hurt him in that regard. In the lower body, Jeffcoat is quite thin as well -- he doesn't have a great base of power from his legs that could hurt him at the point of attack at the next level. There's a lot of work in the weight room in Jeffcoat's future if he wants to maximize his ability in the NFL. The other problem is that despite working with his father and a defensive ends coach in Oscar Giles who has produced a great deal of NFL talent during the time he was at Texas, Jeffcoat doesn't have the array of pass-rushing moves that one would expect from a player with his background and production -- he'll have to work hard in the NFL to develop at least one and ideally two or more go-to moves he can use to beat opposing offensive tackles.

The Cowboys believe that Lawrence has enough strength in his base that if he learns leverage and can improve his overall strength some, he could be a three-down player. It appears that many people came to the conclusion that Jeffcoat isn't that kind of player. You can read about the Cowboys discussing Lawrence's hand-strength, here.

One last thing I saw in my travels around looking at these two players. NFL.com gave Jackson Jeffcoat a 5.15 grade, which equates to a "better-than-average chance of making an NFL roster." They gave DeMarcus Lawrence a 6.1 grade, equivalent to "should be an instant starter".

Maybe there is a big difference between the two players after all. (But I still wouldn't have minded if the Cowboys had grabbed Jeffcoat in the seventh round or as an UDFA)
 
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