Draft Chatter Thread...

[boozeman]

Jaworski is a tool.

Said Manziel was a fourth rounder before...raises him a round based off his PRO DAY today.

His sleeper: Wyoming's Brett Smith. Basically a cheap knockoff of Manziel. Makes sense.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Jaworski is a tool.

Said Manziel was a fourth rounder before...raises him a round based off his PRO DAY today.

His sleeper: Wyoming's Brett Smith. Basically a cheap knockoff of Manziel. Makes sense.

I agree with the Mettenberger love but that is about it.

 

[Deuce]

The Bortles lovefest is outstanding.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Also there isn't a QB I want less to do with then Carr. He is basically the same crappy player as his brother.

 

[boozeman]

The Bortles lovefest is outstanding.

If Jaworski is touting him, that is not really a good thing. I can't think of many talking heads that have been as habitually wrong about the QBs as he has.

Now if Greg Cosell is touting him...feel better:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330178/article/cosell-blake-bortles-is-best-qb-in-2014-nfl-draft

 

[Deuce]

If Jaworski is touting him, that is not really a good thing. I can't think of many talking heads that have been as habitually wrong about the QBs as he has.

Now if Greg Cosell is touting him...feel better:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330178/article/cosell-blake-bortles-is-best-qb-in-2014-nfl-draft

I wasn't referring to Jaws since he got in on Bortles after his Pro Day. But 5 months ago, the only person even talking about him was McShay and now he's at the top of most lists. For him to be considered a top guy in a draft with this much talent is pretty damn amazing.

 

[Deuce]

Also there isn't a QB I want less to do with then Carr. He is basically the same crappy player as his brother.

I agree. I'm not impressed with him at all. I'm all for grabbing a QB but I can name 7 I like better.

 

[boozeman]

I wasn't referring to Jaws since he got in on Bortles after his Pro Day. But 5 months ago, the only person even talking about him was McShay and now he's at the top of most lists. For him to be considered a top guy in a draft with this much talent is pretty damn amazing.

Gil Brandt first started talking about Bortles being legitimate.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Jaws was a decent QB, but he was the most immobile statue ever. Bruce Smith called him the easiest QB to sack of all time. No wonder he doesn't know what Manziel is doing.

 

[boozeman]

Jaws was a decent QB, but he was the most immobile statue ever. Bruce Smith called him the easiest QB to sack of all time. No wonder he doesn't know what Manziel is doing.

He's probably jealous of his mobility and shoe size.

 

[Bob Roberts]

For a guy who watches 'hours and hours of tape', Jaws sure says some nors-like things

 

[hstour]

ESPN:

1. Have Jaws make an outrageous statement.
2. Report on it all day on Sportscenter, First Take, etc. as if it were a news story
3. Other media outlets pick up and report on "the story."
4. Report on the reporting by other media outlets as if you didn't start the whole thing.
5. Repeat the next day.

 

[boozeman]

Sources: Manziel, Bridgewater Expected to Fall
Updated March 28, 2014
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

There is a growing sentiment among some of our NFL sources that one or two of the high-profile quarterback prospects could be in store for a draft-day free fall. The two quarterbacks are Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater and Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel.

Late in the 2013 season, we wrote that teams weren't grading Bridgewater like the top quarterback prospects of past years. Before the Combine, we wrote that two teams picking in the top five had Blake Bortles as their top-ranked quarterback. Teams are lukewarm on Bridgewater, as they have concerns about his physical skill set and build. A few sources said they wouldn't be surprised if Bridgewater fell to the second round.

We've also learned that one team picking in the top 10 has Alabama quarterback A.J. McCarron rated ahead of Bridgewater.

A slide for Bridgewater seems more likely than Manziel. Manziel helped himself with his Pro Day performance, but there are still concerns about him off the field and how much of his game is going to translate in the NFL. Teams wonder if he will be able to develop his pocket passing. One source who attended his Pro Day said that he looked good, though he threw side-armed at times, and they wish he would have done more work out of the pocket. Teams feel that they would have to change their scheme to a shotgun-based offense for Manziel.

While some believe that Manziel could be in store for a draft-day slide, they think it is less likely for him, as it only takes one quarterback needy team to fall in love with his playmaking ability and "it factor."

Meanwhile, we know a few teams that are rating Derek Carr as the second quarterback behind Blake Bortles. Sources said that Carr is the most natural passer in the draft, while Bortles has the most upside.

Sources feel that that quarterback-needy teams like Houston and Jacksonville could get better value to pass on a signal caller in the first round and see who falls them at the top of the second. Cleveland could take one of the elite talents with the fourth pick and target a quarterback late in the first round.

In the 2011 quarterback class, second-round picks Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick have been far and away better than first-rounders Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder and Jake Locker. Considering that nobody views Bortles to be on a par with Andrew Luck, Cam Newton or Matthew Stafford, a number of teams feel that Houston would be crazy to pass on Jadeveon Clowney for a quarterback. Houston could take Clowney and see if Bridgewater or Manziel falls to them at 33 or trade back into the first round to get their quarterback.

Last year Geno Smith, Matt Barkley and Ryan Nassib fell far lower than expected. That trend has happened in other years like 2005 with Aaron Rodgers and 2007 with Brady Quinn. Multiple sources feel that history could repeat itself in 2014 with Manziel and/or Bridgewater.

 

[Carp]

I'd take Clowney if I was the Texans... he is just too good to pass up.

 

[Carp]

As an aside...Bridgewater and Manziel falling does nothing but help Dallas....they can either take JF...my preference...or try and squeeze a team for picks.

 

[Deuce]

I'd take Clowney if I was the Texans... he is just too good to pass up.

He's the most talented player in the draft but QB is the most important position. If you think any of them are franchise guys you take them and develop them.

 

[Cotton]

Yeah...

 

[boozeman]

Mike Mayock's updated position rankings for 2014 NFL Draft

By Mike Mayock
NFL Media draft analyst
Published: March 31, 2014 at 05:30 p.m.
Updated: March 31, 2014 at 05:50 p.m.

Quarterback
1. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
2. Blake Bortles, Central Florida
3. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
4. Derek Carr, Fresno State
t5. AJ McCarron, Alabama
t5. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois

Rise: Manziel (2), Bortles (3)
Fall: Bridgewater (1)

Running back
1. Bishop Sankey, Washington
2. Carlos Hyde, Ohio State
3. Jeremy Hill, LSU
4. Tre Mason, Auburn
5. Andre Williams, Boston College

Rise: Mason (5)
Fall: Williams (4)

Wide receiver
1. Sammy Watkins, Clemson
2. Mike Evans, Texas A&M
3. Marqise Lee, USC
4. Brandin Cooks, Oregon State
t5. Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State
t5. Jarvis Landry, LSU
t5. Odell Beckham, LSU

Tight end
1. Eric Ebron, North Carolina
2. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington
3. Jace Amaro, Texas Tech
4. Troy Niklas, Notre Dame
5. C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa

Center
1. Marcus Martin, USC
2. Weston Richburg, Colorado State
3. Travis Swanson, Arkansas
4. Bryan Stork, Florida State
5. Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma

Guard
1. David Yankey, Stanford
2. Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA
3. Brandon Thomas, Clemson
4. Trai Turner, LSU
5. Gabe Jackson, Mississippi State

New entry: Thomas
Rise: Turner (5)
Fall: Jackson (3)
Out: Chris Watt, Notre Dame (4)


Offensive tackle
1. Greg Robinson, Auburn
2. Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
3. Taylor Lewan, Michigan
4. Zack Martin, Notre Dame
5. Joel Bitonio, Nevada


Defensive tackle
1. Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
2. Timmy Jernigan, Florida State
3. Louis Nix, Notre Dame
4. Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota
5. Daniel McCullers, Tennessee

Rise: Donald (3)
New entry: McCullers
Out: Kelcy Quarles, South Carolina (5)

Defensive end
1. Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
2. Kony Ealy, Missouri
3. Dee Ford, Auburn
4. Scott Crichton, Oregon State
5. Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame


Outside linebacker
1. Khalil Mack, Buffalo
2. Anthony Barr, UCLA
3. Ryan Shazier, Ohio State
4. Trent Murphy, Stanford
5. Marcus Smith, Louisville

Inside linebacker
1. C.J. Mosley, Alabama
2. Chris Borland, Wisconsin
3. Shayne Skov, Stanford
4. Max Bullough, Michigan State
5. Preston Brown, Louisville



Cornerback
1. Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
2. Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
3. Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
4. Bradley Roby, Ohio State
5. Jason Verrett, TCU

Rise: Fuller (3)
Fall: Gilbert (2)

Safety
1. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama
2. Calvin Pryor, Louisville
3. Jimmie Ward, Northern Illinois
4. Deone Bucannon, Washington State
5. Lamarcus Joyner, Florida State

Rise: Clinton-Dix (2)
Fall: Pryor (1)

 

[Carl]

So, it looks as though this draft has some interesting QB options outside the first two rounds. Anyone have any thoughts on McCarron, Savage, Murray or Mettenberger as a third or 4th round option?

If we do trade down in round 1, I could see a QB being taken with the extra pick acquired.

 

[Cotton]

So, it looks as though this draft has some interesting QB options outside the first two rounds. Anyone have any thoughts on McCarron, Savage, Murray or Mettenberger as a third or 4th round option?

If we do trade down in round 1, I could see a QB being taken with the extra pick acquired.

McCarron is one of Booze's pet cats.