Archer: Higher hopes for Cowboys' Crawford

[Smitty]

Sometimes you see guys who bounce around and once they find the right scheme they turn into a very good player, that is a possibility with Selvie. I don't want to bank on it or anything and ignore addressing the position but it is a possibility.

He'd have to play a lot better than he did down the stretch last season.

It's not out of the realm of possibility but counting on it would be foolish.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

There is no way anyone in their right mind would deliberately pencil that guy in as a starter after the performance our DL turned in last year.

You're throwing the baby out with the bath water. Your logic is flawed. Just because a unit performs terribly doesn't mean every player in the unit was terrible. Selvie wasn't. If Selvie is so easily upgraded as you suggest, please list me 63 NFL DE's with better numbers because that's how many starters there are in the league besides Selvie. By the way Selvie was excellent against the run. Not sure why you are so intent in making a solid player sound terrible. Your RE is where the big sack numbers should be coming. Not the side where the QB can easily see the pass rush coming.

You're so hell bent on D-line this year and it blinds you to the truth.

Our secondary as a whole performed like shit as well but that doesn't mean every individual player in our secondary is shit.

 

[Smitty]

You're throwing the baby out with the bath water. Your logic is flawed. Just because a unit performs terribly doesn't mean every player in the unit was terrible.

Of course not, Hatcher was good. The rest of them were more bad than good, which is why our defense finished 32nd. If we had half our guys turning in acceptable seasons, it wouldn't have been as epically bad as it was. But that wasn't the case, most of them (all of them besides Hatcher, really) were not good enough.

Selvie wasn't.

He wasn't terrible... he just wasn't very good. And invisible down the stretch (though to be fair he did have a good game in the finale against Philly). Basically the opposite of what you want if you are trying to build around your DL. His track record of bouncing around the league does not bode well; his disappearing act down the stretch bodes even worse, and the fact that other than his 7 sacks, he didn't make enough plays or get consistent pressure seals the deal for me. In a more limited capacity he could be intriguing but he is nowhere near the type of player I'd be looking for opposite my stud right end (whether that is Ware or someone else). I'd want an Anthony Spencer type.... a guy who is actually very, very good against the run and a legit pass rusher in his own right (at least, the seasons he was good, not his early, undeveloped seasons). Selvie is not that good.

If Selvie is so easily upgraded as you suggest, please list me 63 NFL DE's with better numbers because that's how many starters there are in the league besides Selvie.

Speaking of flawed logic... There can be minus starters on other teams too.

And you keep going back to numbers.... I don't give a shit about his 7 sacks. The guy was not good down the stretch, he disappeared.

I guess we should just hope that flame-out was the mirage.... instead of the track record of not sticking anywhere.

Hey, I'm willing to bring him back. I'm not saying he has no place in this league. I just would under no circumstances say that last year's performance merited being a favorite to start on a quality defense. If we can't get around to replacing him this year, I get it, we are so desperately bad on the DL he isn't the biggest problem, but he'll be on the block next year then. At least as far as the starting lineup is concerned.

By the way Selvie was excellent against the run.

Yeah, except he wasn't.

You're so hell bent on D-line this year and it blinds you to the truth.

Kinda like I was blinded by our OL sucking for years and how I was totally wrong about tha..... oh.

Our secondary as a whole performed like shit as well but that doesn't mean every individual player in our secondary is shit.

Well, not as such, because they are dependent on the guys in front of them and the DL as a whole was shit. I don't really blame Brandon Carr for sucking, he is what he is, which is, a non-elite, solid CB getting paid megabucks by a retard GM.

 

[p1_]

But...but...the coaches saw him in practices and stuff. They know, dude.

Wait until Matt Johnson comes back.

Is Johnson still a cowboy?

 

[p1_]

He'd have to play a lot better than he did down the stretch last season.

It's not out of the realm of possibility but counting on it would be foolish.

Selvie was a pleasant surprise in a decimated d line last season. Now comes the proof of whether or not it was indicative of his ability.

 

[boozeman]

Selvie was a pleasant surprise in a decimated d line last season. Now comes the proof of whether or not it was indicative of his ability.

Actually, if there is one silver lining in all of that disgusting mess last year it is that maybe you have good rotational depth.

He's also missing that aside from the 7 sacks, Selvie was largely invisible, egregiously so down the stretch. He was a complete non-factor.

To me, it screams of unexpected success before teams started paying attention.

That and it is quite possible he was nicked up and played through it.

Not making excuses for him, but he did have major surgery to correct a shoulder issue that he played with from mid-season on, which corresponds with his dip in production.

I am perfectly fine with having him as a depth/role player. He earned it IMO.

 

[NoDak]

Kinda like I was blinded by our OL sucking for years and how I was totally wrong about tha..... oh.

Is this supposed to be some kind of feather in your cap? Anybody that can correctly spell their own name 3 out of 5 times knew that.

 

[Clay_Allison]

I like Selvie as part of the rotation, but we definitely need more bodies in that rotation in case his surprise average season is a one time thing.

 

[Smitty]

Is this supposed to be some kind of feather in your cap? Anybody that can correctly spell their own name 3 out of 5 times knew that.

Well anyone who can correctly spell their own name 3 out of 5 times should know this too... that's the point. It's not an obsession that "blinds you to the truth" -- it's screaming about a glaring weakness, just like before.

 

[Smitty]

I am perfectly fine with having him as a depth/role player. He earned it IMO.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

If it were me, he'd be on the replacement list as a starter. I'm not saying cut him, but I wouldn't be penciling him in as next year's starter based on last year's play. It left much to be desired from your starter.

If you don't get around to it because the DL needs other attention more (namely, two DTs or more and possibly a straight up Ware replacement as well), then I get it. Selvie's spot would be the 4th spot on a 4 man DL that would need a starter replacement at that point. Hard to change out your entire DL.

But if we were to keep Ware and import 2 DTs and a DE.... Selvie is first up to move out of the starting lineup. And that's a good thing.

 

[Angrymesscan]

But if we were to keep Ware and import 2 DTs and a DE.... Selvie is first up to move out of the starting lineup. And that's a good thing.

Uhhh... Wouldn't that be third to move out...?