Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill

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Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill


By Ray Sanchez, CNN

updated 5:00 PM EST, Fri February 21, 2014

(CNN) -- Arizona's Legislature has passed a controversial bill that would allow business owners, as long as they assert their religious beliefs, to deny service to gay and lesbian customers.

The bill, which the state House of Representatives passed by a 33-27 vote Thursday, now goes to Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican and onetime small business owner who vetoed similar legislation last year but has expressed the right of business owners to deny service.

The measure has drawn criticism from Democrats and business groups who said it would sanction discrimination and open the state to the risk of damaging litigation.

"With the express consent of Republicans in this Legislature, many Arizonans will find themselves members of a separate and unequal class under this law because of their sexual orientation," Anna Tovar, the state senate Democratic minority leader, said in a statement. "This bill may also open the door to discriminate based on race, familial status, religion, sex, national origin, age or disability."

In a letter to Brewer on Friday, the Greater Phoenix Economic Council urged the governor to veto Senate Bill 1062, saying the "legislation will likely have profound, negative effects on our business community for years to come."

"The legislation places businesses currently in Arizona, as well as those looking to locate here, in potentially damaging risk of litigation, and costly, needless legal disputes," council President Barry Broome wrote, adding that four unidentified companies have vowed to locate elsewhere if the legislation is signed.

He added, "With major events approaching in the coming year, including Super Bowl XLIX, Arizona will be the center of the world's stage. This legislation has the potential of subjecting the Super Bowl, and major events surrounding it, to the threats of boycotts."

The bill is being pushed by the Center for Arizona Policy, a conservative group opposed to abortion and same-sex marriage. The group has justified the measure on grounds that the proposal protects people against increasingly activist federal courts.

"As we witness hostility towards people of faith grow like never before, we must take this opportunity to speak up for religious liberty," the group said on its website, asking people to contact Brewer and urge her to sign the bill. "The great news is that SB 1062 protects your right to live and work according to your faith."

Cathi Herrod, the center's president, told CNN on Friday, "The Arizona bill has a very simple premise, that Americans should be free to live and work according to their religious faith. It's simply about protecting religious liberty and nothing else."

Herrod said the bill's opponents are "showing unbelievable hostility toward religious beliefs."

"America still stands for the principle that religious beliefs matter (for) something in this country, that we have the right to freely exercise our religious beliefs," she said.

But Robert Boston, a spokesman for the Washington-based Americans United for Separation of Church and State, told CNN the legislation would "fling the door wide open to discrimination, not just against gay people, but basically to any class of individuals that a religious fundamentalist decides he or she doesn't want to deal with."

He added, "A woman who is pregnant out of wedlock, for example, 'Well, out the door, you don't get served in my business.' "

The Arizona legislation was passed as conservative states work to counter laws legalizing same-sex marriage. Arizona voters approved a ban on same-sex marriage as a state constitutional amendment in 2008.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona called the bill "unnecessary and discriminatory."

"What today's bill does is allow private individuals and businesses to use religion to discriminate, sending a message that Arizona is intolerant and unwelcoming," the group said in a statement.

Some Republican legislators have defended the bill as a First Amendment issue, while Democrats dismissed it as an attack on gays and lesbians.

"We saw it with Russia and the Olympics," said state Rep. Chad Campbell, a Phoenix Democrat, who voted against the legislation, according to KPHO. "I mean, hey, I'm not sure if Russia is any less progressive than Arizona now against gay rights to be quite honest with you."

Monica Jones, a Phoenix resident, agreed: "Think about what this says to the rest of the country. We are not Russia. We are a first nation. And, as Americans, we have civil rights."
 

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I'm sure the Smitty alarm has been pushed and he will be here soon to tell us what a great idea this is
 

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I'm sure the Smitty alarm has been pushed and he will be here soon to tell us what a great idea this is
We did not mention Garrett or Parcells, so I think we have at least 12 hours or until it gets over 10 posts and he notices.
 

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We did not mention Garrett or Parcells, so I think we have at least 12 hours or until it gets over 10 posts and he notices.
True, but your post just mentioned those two, so any time advantage has been lost
 

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So basically Arizona's stance is fuck you African-Amercians, Mexicans, and gays. I guess you can't expect a piece of shit desert state full of seniors, meth heads, and Hostile-ity to be forward-thinking.
 

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So basically Arizona's stance is fuck you African-Amercians, Mexicans, and gays. I guess you can't expect a piece of shit desert state full of seniors, meth heads, and Hostile-ity to be forward-thinking.
Can a business assert anti-religious beliefs to deny service to Christians? Or Muslims? Or Mormons? Oh nope, they can't. That is against the law.

I guess part of the reason that people are hypocrites is that they just can't see that they're hypocrites
 

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I think this is a dumbass way to conduct business, but they should have that right. I don't think it is the government's business to tell a business how to run itself.

That being said, any business that runs this kind of model should be burned to the ground.
 

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Can a business assert anti-religious beliefs to deny service to Christians? Or Muslims? Or Mormons? Oh nope, they can't. That is against the law.

I guess part of the reason that people are hypocrites is that they just can't see that they're hypocrites
How is denying service to a religious belief against the law?

Maybe I have missed something. The only difference I see is that religious belief isn't physically tangible like race or at times sexual preference.
 

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I'm sorry to the sensitive types but you should be able to do what ever you want in this country. If I take the risk, effort and time to to start a business I should be able to be a racist bastard as long as I want. I work for it, I pay for it, I do everything needed - I carry all of the risk, so if you don't like it start another business that counters mine and put me out of business. Start a rally, boycott and steal my hard earned dollars however you want but not through regulation.

Now, I'm not anti gayzer or racist at all. I loves me some gay customers cause they are friendly, loyal and meticulous. Just the customer target I am looking for. They can come over and watch my kids and be my friends any day. I just don't want anybody making laws that tell me what my preferences are. If I work for it I should be allowed to make my own calls. And you should be allowed to force me out of business by not buying from me. Tell your friends, bash me or whatever buy don't makes laws about it! Bigots should be forced out via competition not through the government.

This law is touted as anti-gay...I think it is a epitome of freedom. Dumbasses get freedom just like the next guy but let's not pretend that freedom doesn't cover idiots. It does. I completely resent that gays and bigots don't get the same freedom. If you are anti-gay or have preferences against gays you get sued. If you are anti-right winger then you get applauaded. I'm sorry, but nobody is allowed to push their agenda. What's Up with live and let live? Doesnt that go both ways even of you disagree? Do you love freedom more than your preferences? If you do you will tolerate gays and right wingers equally. Win the battle with dollars and let the rest sort itself out.
 

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I'm sorry to the sensitive types but you should be able to do what ever you want in this country. If I take the risk, effort and time to to start a business I should be able to be a racist bastard as long as I want. I work for it, I pay for it, I do everything needed - I carry all of the risk, so if you don't like it start another business that counters mine and put me out of business. Start a rally, boycott and steal my hard earned dollars however you want but not through regulation.

Now, I'm not anti gayzer or racist at all. I loves me some gay customers cause they are friendly, loyal and meticulous. Just the customer target I am looking for. They can come over and watch my kids and be my friends any day. I just don't want anybody making laws that tell me what my preferences are. If I work for it I should be allowed to make my own calls. And you should be allowed to force me out of business by not buying from me. Tell your friends, bash me or whatever buy don't makes laws about it! Bigots should be forced out via competition not through the government.

This law is touted as anti-gay...I think it is a epitome of freedom. Dumbasses get freedom just like the next guy but let's not pretend that freedom doesn't cover idiots. It does. I completely resent that gays and bigots don't get the same freedom. If you are anti-gay or have preferences against gays you get sued. If you are anti-right winger then you get applauaded. I'm sorry, but nobody is allowed to push their agenda. What's Up with live and let live? Doesnt that go both ways even of you disagree? Do you love freedom more than your preferences? If you do you will tolerate gays and right wingers equally. Win the battle with dollars and let the rest sort itself out.
 

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I am not anti gay but I am pro entrepreneurship. The law poses a conundrum for the state of Arizona, however. The U.S. Attorney General will be on this right away and the federal position will strike it down. The whole thing will create more polarization and in the end greater hatred. It's a no win situation for business or gays.
 

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I am not anti gay but I am pro entrepreneurship. The law poses a conundrum for the state of Arizona, however. The U.S. Attorney General will be on this right away and the federal position will strike it down. The whole thing will create more polarization and in the end greater hatred. It's a no win situation for business or gays.

That is a true statement.
 

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I am not anti gay but I am pro entrepreneurship. The law poses a conundrum for the state of Arizona, however. The U.S. Attorney General will be on this right away and the federal position will strike it down. The whole thing will create more polarization and in the end greater hatred. It's a no win situation for business or gays.
You're exactly right. As little as I like the idea of businesses discriminating against any customer, we as customers discriminate against businesses all the time by refusing them our money and patronage. So, is it fair and reasonable for a business to express and exhibit the same behavior? I'm hard pressed to say "no", even though the laws generally aren't written that way.
 

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I mean, come on. Do you honestly think that a company with a policy like this could make it in the real world?

I could never or would never want to deny a gay person service. To me that is just disgusting behavior.

But the deal is, if someone wants to have stupid religious convictions they should be able to with their hard earned money.

Still, if someone practiced this they would be out of business in a hurry like the people who owned a donuts shop or wedding shop of some kid.
 

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How is denying service to a religious belief against the law?

Maybe I have missed something. The only difference I see is that religious belief isn't physically tangible like race or at times sexual preference.
Federal Civil Rights Act?
 

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I'm sorry to the sensitive types but you should be able to do what ever you want in this country. If I take the risk, effort and time to to start a business I should be able to be a racist bastard as long as I want. I work for it, I pay for it, I do everything needed - I carry all of the risk, so if you don't like it start another business that counters mine and put me out of business. Start a rally, boycott and steal my hard earned dollars however you want but not through regulation.

Now, I'm not anti gayzer or racist at all. I loves me some gay customers cause they are friendly, loyal and meticulous. Just the customer target I am looking for. They can come over and watch my kids and be my friends any day. I just don't want anybody making laws that tell me what my preferences are. If I work for it I should be allowed to make my own calls. And you should be allowed to force me out of business by not buying from me. Tell your friends, bash me or whatever buy don't makes laws about it! Bigots should be forced out via competition not through the government.

This law is touted as anti-gay...I think it is a epitome of freedom. Dumbasses get freedom just like the next guy but let's not pretend that freedom doesn't cover idiots. It does. I completely resent that gays and bigots don't get the same freedom. If you are anti-gay or have preferences against gays you get sued. If you are anti-right winger then you get applauaded. I'm sorry, but nobody is allowed to push their agenda. What's Up with live and let live? Doesnt that go both ways even of you disagree? Do you love freedom more than your preferences? If you do you will tolerate gays and right wingers equally. Win the battle with dollars and let the rest sort itself out.
Just be careful of the doors that it opens. Would you feel the same way if you were denied service because of your religious belief? Or skin color?

That is what I find so hypocritical. Religious groups throw a damn shit fit if there is even a whiff of them being denied anything due to their religion. Then they want to turn around and use their religion as a reason to deny basic rights and services to another group.
 
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