Extending Pickens

[boozeman]

The former Bengal?

Well shit.

Genetics matter.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I never realized that Carl Pickens is his father.

I don't think he is... Is he? I thought that wasn't true.

 

[NoDak]

I don't think he is... Is he? I thought that wasn't true.

He's not related to Carl Pickens.

 

[ravidubey]

It's not an argument. It's economics. It's math. It's simple numbers. Think of it this way, the salary cap goes up every year right? It's just like inflation in an economy. So the million dollars of salary cap money today, is worth less than the salary cap money of a year or more down the road. So if you can take that million now and move it into the future, you've taken advantage of the system. I know most people won't understand this. They struggle with the concept. But it's really cheating the system. 1 mil in cap 10 years ago meant a hell of a lot more than a 1 mil in cap today. So if you can push dollars from today into the future when those same dollars have a small impact relative to the size of the cap, you're ultimately creating an advantage.

This isn't theoretical. This isn't a debate. It's just a fact. Any person even slightly good at math or economics would tell you the same thing. Imagine if you could buy a 100,000 truck today and only have to pay 100,000 for the truck in 10 years. You'd certainly do that over paying 100,000 for the truck today, right? The only problem is you have to have an NFL owner who actually wants to spend the money. Because while the cap is a joke, it's put in place so that owners can maximize profits, not wins. And what I'm suggesting is something that could hurt an owner's profits. The Eagles owner I think has actually had to sell off some percentage of the team to afford what he is doing. And that is where you may be right about Jerry, I think he cares more about profits than wins.

Actually, it’s kind of the reverse, right? If 1 million will be less valuable next year, then you’d like to move it into this year when it is more valuable— both a larger percentage of the whole pie and having greater buying power in this year’s market vs next year’s.

Of course that means you need talent to sign and aren’t just spending it for spend sakes, and there’s a cost to moving future cap to today, usually in the form of amortized signing bonus which has a way of biting you in the end if you don’t size the contract appropriately. Still that contract is going to be cheaper this year than it would be next year.

So if I have to borrow against the future with a monster SB, it makes sense to do just that to target a guy like Pickens, especially if I can lace in incentives to combat dropoffs in performance and size the contract length appropriately (using voidable years as needed, for example).

The Eagles do this year after year with the understanding several million in annual dead cap is simply the cost of doing business in the modern NFL

 

[Genghis Khan]

He's not related to Carl Pickens.

Google lied to me.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

If 1 million will be less valuable next year, then you’d like to move it into this year when it is more valuable

This is exactly right. Maybe it came off backwards. It's like an interest free credit card.

 

[Genghis Khan]

The former Bengal?

Well shit.

Oops apparently fake news.

 

[Genghis Khan]

No mention of how he and Pickens were double teaming hookers at the Chicken Ranch?

Cee Dee would appreciate if you minded your business.

 

[bleedsblue42021117]

It's not an argument. It's economics. It's math. It's simple numbers. Think of it this way, the salary cap goes up every year right? It's just like inflation in an economy. So the million dollars of salary cap money today, is worth less than the salary cap money of a year or more down the road. So if you can take that million now and move it into the future, you've taken advantage of the system. I know most people won't understand this. They struggle with the concept. But it's really cheating the system. 1 mil in cap 10 years ago meant a hell of a lot more than a 1 mil in cap today. So if you can push dollars from today into the future when those same dollars have a small impact relative to the size of the cap, you're ultimately creating an advantage.

This isn't theoretical. This isn't a debate. It's just a fact. Any person even slightly good at math or economics would tell you the same thing. Imagine if you could buy a 100,000 truck today and only have to pay 100,000 for the truck in 10 years. You'd certainly do that over paying 100,000 for the truck today, right? The only problem is you have to have an NFL owner who actually wants to spend the money. Because while the cap is a joke, it's put in place so that owners can maximize profits, not wins. And what I'm suggesting is something that could hurt an owner's profits. The Eagles owner I think has actually had to sell off some percentage of the team to afford what he is doing. And that is where you may be right about Jerry, I think he cares more about profits than wins.

Oh it's not that simple,

When you're breaking down your team, and seeing where you already have money spent, you already have a number one wide receiver, you have a highly paid quarterback, a highly paid wide receiver, a highly paid guard , and need the RB signed, and then you look over and your defense sucks, you have to figure out where to break the pie up..

Is that that hard for you to understand ??!!!! that I'm talking about this money would be more well spent on the defense, they need to figure out a way to restructure Clark, and then rebuild the safety room, get another linebacker ,another pass rusher, maybe another corner, you can't do that all through the draft,

it's much easier in the draft to get your number 2 wide receiver of the future with the draft pick, that you get from George Pickens being traded..

Now you have more money for the defense...

I Told you I'm not really dealing with this ,we'll see what the Cowboys front office thinks..

MY POINT WAS, I don't blame them if he wants too much money and he has to walk, like Parsons, it happens you take the first rounder and you move on...

You're over simplifying this,

it's not that simple this team has so many holes on defense we could use that $30 million part of the cap on the other side of football and get a drafted wide receiver..WR2 from the draft with Flournoy and CD there are teams that have a far worse rooms than that...


Maybe you don't understand when you're dividing up the cap you have to make sure you use the money properly like when you're budgeting your own budget for your house, you don't go buy a second car, when you already have a brand new car, and you don't need a new 2nd car, even though it would be really nice to have a 2nd car, you might wanna spend the money to fix your house...

Maybe you have foundation problems, Maybe you you have major plumbing or HVAC problems, that's where you put the money when you're splitting up your budget, this is like a credit card and a budget that's what the cap is, and yes they can find ways to squeeze it in but I prefer them to spend the time to make sure we have a defense that looks like the Houston Texans ,where they can win with a backup quarterback, and a whole lot less money spent on wide receiver, if you haven't noticed.. Like KC..

yes ,I just used that from looking at last night.... The team that had the younger roster made up with less money used from the cap and more draft picks, sure it'll come due, they won with a backup quarterback why because their defense was absolutely monstrous last night and they beat the bills, who are supposed to be super bowl contenders...

I sure would love to have games that Prescott didn't feel the pressure to score close to 30 points every week, it'd be really nice if our defense can hold GOOD to GREAT teams under 20, or even better than that, that's gonna come from paying attention to that side of football more...

So again,

I hope he stays but if he asks for more money, I understand if we can't keep him, and I'm not gonna be a little toddler who throws a tantrum and blames Jerry for everything, because we should be spending the money on the defense, and we should draft the second wide receiver, that makes sense because if you get a really good wide receiver in the draft like we did in CD Lamb in 2020 he will replace CD lamb like CD lamb replaced Amari, That's how it should be working..

Not many teams have two premium wide receivers being paid like number ones,

there's only a few examples but those are being paid like number twos, the money you guys are talking about in here is insane, anything over 30 would be negligence to the rest of the team....

You're not going to convince me otherwise, and the fact is you're just another fan behind the screen, i'm going to let the team take care of this, i'm going to let nature take its course, so to speak,

we'll see what he's demanding, what he's willing to take a team friendly deal like T Higgins did ,because T higgins could have started for about half the teams in the NFL, and just out of loyalty he took less a lot less, But that's the gap you're looking for look at what Chase makes and now look at what T Higgins makes and that is how it needs to stay here got Lamb at 39 And you need to keep George around thirty.

IM Sticking to my opinion you're not going to convince me so let's just stop debating this we're not even there yet we'll talk about this in March....

 

[bleedsblue42021117]

God damn, dude. At least use punctuation so your posts are quasi-readable. Good lord.

How about don't come at me at all don't read my stuff if you don't like it sometimes I'm in a hurry I use talk to text and I'm not fixing it for you this is social media if you can't read through that did I feel sorry for you because I never have a problem reading things without punctuation it's like those IQ tests pretty easy we can read upside down backwards we can find words and numbers inside of a whole bunch of other random placement of words and numbers that is what our brain can do if we want to instead we **** and complain how people post in the social media world as if it's a job or a college paper which it is not so why don't you step off my shortened curlies and move on...

Don't need to read my **** i'm not here for your entertainment you can pass it up if you feel it's too much for you to read or comprehend or both..

 

[bleedsblue42021117]

Dak would be an absolute retard not to take a pay cut to allow Pickens to get to the number he wants if it’s slightly above $35 million.

He’s not the kingmaker Tony was, he needs all the help he can get and then some.

Let me please explain to you one more time there is no such thing as a pay cut these players are not allowed per union and contractual law to have their pay cut, they can't even do it if they wanted to,

the only thing you're allowed to do in the NFL or in sports is restructure,

meaning you can give him more bonus money and lowers annual salary ie AAV to make the cap better for those given years, but you have to pay him more down the road in dead cap money, Keep pushing the void years and all that and this team will be paying him until the year 2038... Long after he retired ,we'll be paying him until eternity,

you all don't understand how that works, they do not take pay cuts they never take less they are called restructures.... All you're doing is pushing money into the future years you still have to pay it eventually It's like a credit card eventually the bill's gonna come due and you're gonna be underwater upside down and going into bankruptcy because you've been paying the minimum for 10 years on all that debt you keep compiling that is how it works with salary caps...

There are no blank checks there's nobody that's going to be giving up money they've already restructured Prescott at the beginning of this year in his first year of new money I mean how many times are you going to do that we'll be having Prescott here he'll be playing in an electric roller wheelchair..

 

[bleedsblue42021117]

And that whole, "I'm just preparing you guys for disappointment" thing? Dude, everyone on this board are bare minimum 25 year vet fans. Most more than that. So, don't come in here with this holier than thou schtick and think you're saving us.

Actually I'm stating an opinion ,

and I'll do it anytime I want ,you got that????!!!

you know what you sound like you sound like, what you're describing me as ,telling me how I can post, and what I should say, how i should structure my sentences,

So why don't you take a seat ,and we'll just all say what we want along is this within the rules, And don't tell me how I should use more punctuation and grammar and what I should and shouldn't ,say OK boomer granddad...lmao

Here's the old pot calling the kettle black,

look in the mirror, you're no better... Hypocrite alert hypocrite alert..

 

[Chocolate Lab]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Let me please explain to you one more time there is no such thing as a pay cut these players are not allowed per union and contractual law to have their pay cut, they can't even do it if they wanted to,

Yes, NFL players can take a pay cut, though it's not common for them to do so voluntarily, as they are often motivated by the desire to stay with a winning team or due to a lack of leverage, such as in the case of veteran running backs. These pay cuts can be part of a contract restructure to lower a team's salary cap number or, in some cases, a player will accept a reduced salary in exchange for more flexibility and a higher chance to win a Super Bowl, notes NFL.com and NFL.com.

 

[bleedsblue42021117]

Yes, NFL players can take a pay cut, though it's not common for them to do so voluntarily, as they are often motivated by the desire to stay with a winning team or due to a lack of leverage, such as in the case of veteran running backs. These pay cuts can be part of a contract restructure to lower a team's salary cap number or, in some cases, a player will accept a reduced salary in exchange for more flexibility and a higher chance to win a Super Bowl, notes NFL.com and NFL.com.

Actually can't take a full pay cut there's no way they 'd have to tear the contract up and redo the whole thing they literally had to avoid the entire contract and I guarantee there's NFL rules that says they can't You know the union the players union the the agents the player themselves I don't think you could just take a pay cut there's a contract it's very specific you would have to tear the contract up and start over and I don't even know how that would work because it doesn't happen....

They're not pay cuts restructures are not pay cuts they take bonus money out of the back end so they're getting more guaranteed money in order to take less hours average salary per year but the team still has to pay the void years and the dead cap where all this money is being pushed down the line...

It's the same amount in total it's just being paid differently that's why it's called a restructure not a pay cut there is no such thing as a pay cut... Look I understand what you're saying you're just using the wrong terminology players can redo their deals but the monies it ends up being the same in the end that is why so many players are being paid after they're retired or gone The team has to pay their leftover salary the first two years after they're gone which could be quite a bit of dead cap if you keep doing restructures you have to pay the piper eventually There's no way to get around it..


Yes if they wanted to restructure to where these next two years with Prescott and some of these players window being really small then yes you can lower their average annual salary in order to fit more players on the roster but you're still paying them the same amount of money it's just going to be owed later...

 

[bbgun]

He's lucky Cotton is "convalescing."

 

[bleedsblue42021117]

God damn, dude. At least use punctuation so your posts are quasi-readable. Good lord.

I see punctuation all over that, I use talk to text however it comes out it comes out... This is not a job to me I use talk to text usually I'm in a hurry and I'm not gonna change the way I post...

 

[bleedsblue42021117]

what? I'm not allowed to speak my mind when people come at me hurry in here ,I didn't know that was a rule?

By the way I agree with your statement where's Phil Mafah,

this dude was apparently hidden or stashed on IR wasn't really truly hurt ,but yet maybe it's all the moves they've had to make they only have a limited amount of moves where you're allowed to put guys on IR ,and then bring them back, and I think they're down to two moves and I think because of all the defensive injuries, we've had he's remained on IR...

I'd really like to see what this dude has he runs hard he's strong... I'm sure it would be an immediate activation of IR something happened to Williams because we need another power back...

now I think they're saving those moves for positions they're more in need of...

 

[Texas Ace]

@Cotton

 

[Sheik]

Let me please explain to you one more time there is no such thing as a pay cut these players are not allowed per union and contractual law to have their pay cut, they can't even do it if they wanted to,

the only thing you're allowed to do in the NFL or in sports is restructure,

meaning you can give him more bonus money and lowers annual salary ie AAV to make the cap better for those given years, but you have to pay him more down the road in dead cap money, Keep pushing the void years and all that and this team will be paying him until the year 2038... Long after he retired ,we'll be paying him until eternity,

you all don't understand how that works, they do not take pay cuts they never take less they are called restructures.... All you're doing is pushing money into the future years you still have to pay it eventually It's like a credit card eventually the bill's gonna come due and you're gonna be underwater upside down and going into bankruptcy because you've been paying the minimum for 10 years on all that debt you keep compiling that is how it works with salary caps...

There are no blank checks there's nobody that's going to be giving up money they've already restructured Prescott at the beginning of this year in his first year of new money I mean how many times are you going to do that we'll be having Prescott here he'll be playing in an electric roller wheelchair..

go fuck yourself.