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EZ22

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Conspiracy?

It's definitely a retarded business model. I definitely won't be buying one.
 

Carp

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Fantastic.

I don't like Xbox anyways, but they have judges in their back pockets? Come on.
 

boozeman

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Should be a violation of the first sale doctrine. Judges must be in media companies' back pockets.
Yes, but how does Wickard v. Filburn impact this?

C'mon...spill it. We are on pins and needles here.

In all seriousness, this is why I don't have an Xbox and stick to PS.

They charge for everything. I am sure Sony will get greedy and turn to a subscription service with the PS4 though.
 

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There is computer software, anti-virus, and other applications that can only be loaded on a CPU once...not all that different.
 

Texas Ace

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So how is gamefly going to get around that?
Well, Microsoft didn't elaborate, and that was another one of the criticisms aimed their way after yesterday's conference - their answers/responses weren't very clear. Almost as if they weren't really sure themselves.

The word right now is that Microsoft will have their own proprietary trade-in system via online. How this is going to work? No one really knows. The speculation is that they will have like a license for each game which you can then "surrender" and then get credit or something. Again, this is speculation because MS couldn't explain it clearly.

What is fairly certain is that you won't be able to just turn that into Gamestop and renting games for that thing is going to be a pain in the ass or not possible at all.
 

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What is fairly certain is that you won't be able to just turn that into Gamestop and renting games for that thing is going to be a pain in the ass or not possible at all.
Greed. Plain and simple.
 
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It won't last. They'll catch so much backlash for it leading up to launch that they'll have to know it will affect their numbers. Sony is going to win the next gen war just by going with status quo...and I'm happy about that. Better system, better exclusives.
 

boozeman

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It won't last. They'll catch so much backlash for it leading up to launch that they'll have to know it will affect their numbers. Sony is going to win the next gen war just by going with status quo...and I'm happy about that. Better system, better exclusives.
Feh.

They will get some grumbling, but like all other unpopular big business decisions, the masses will eventually get nothing and like it.

I can't see a bunch of addicted gamers ditching their X-Boxes in protest.
 

Carp

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That is the thing...pretty much people are loyal to their consoles and the franchises on them...they'll stick with it.
 

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As an aside...F Microsoft.

I bought an extra cheap laptop for travel purposes and of course the new Windows.

You can't even pop a DVD in there and play it because per Microsoft, everything is "streaming" and bullshit. It no longer comes pre-loaded with Windows Media Player and you have to either buy the media player or download some other player that has the codec.

F Bill Gates.
 

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Greed. Plain and simple.
Obviously.

They seem intent on focusing more on making the Xbox an entertainment hub than a gaming machine. I don't think there's anything wrong with adding a bunch of media apps to it or whatever, but I buy consoles for the games. I can pretty much do all of the other stuff on my laptop or even my TV.

Netflix, Hulu, Skype, etc.

I think Sony lost their grip with the PS3 because they forgot what made them king in the first place, and that was the gaming experience. If their introductory conference is any indication, then it looks like they learned from their mistakes of this past generation and are focused mostly on the gaming experience.

Even if Sony do charge a fee for their online, and I'm guessing they won't, I'm sure it'll be minimal.
 

boozeman

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Obviously.

They seem intent on focusing more on making the Xbox an entertainment hub than a gaming machine. I don't think there's anything wrong with adding a bunch of media apps to it or whatever, but I buy consoles for the games. I can pretty much do all of the other stuff on my laptop or even my TV.

Netflix, Hulu, Skype, etc.

I think Sony lost their grip with the PS3 because they forgot what made them king in the first place, and that was the gaming experience. If their introductory conference is any indication, then it looks like they learned from their mistakes of this past generation and are focused mostly on the gaming experience.

Even if Sony do charge a fee for their online, and I'm guessing they won't, I'm sure it'll be minimal.
I am definitely buying the PS4...I actually have both, but my kid uses the XBox.

I am going to have to tell him...too bad, so sad kiddo.
 

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I am still as happy as ever with my PS3, no need for the PS4 for what I need it for. I just play games on it and watch Blurays...I have a smart TV, so I do Netflix through that.
 

Texas Ace

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That is the thing...pretty much people are loyal to their consoles and the franchises on them...they'll stick with it.
Loyal to a degree.

Remember, PS1 and PS2 dominated the gaming market like no console before it. Even Nintendo in its hey-day never had the stranglehold that Sony did between 1995-2005. The only consoles in history to sell over 100 million units are the PS1 and PS2. But Xbox won the last generation if you go by just sales and the fact that developers preferred to make games on the Xbox first then port over to PS3, when it used to be the other way around.

Sony being arrogant and pricing the PS3 at 600 bucks when it first came out was a huge mistake. That and the decision to get rid of the rumble controllers because they said it was a "last-gen" feature, and the insistence of going with proprietary Sony architecture which made programming for the PS3 a headache for developers. All of these things contributed to Sony losing their place at the top.

This time, they went with a very PC like architecture and the developers are already talking about how easy it is to design for, and Sony has said themselves they are looking to price the PS4 much more competitively than they did the last time. So the good news is that they seem to have learned from their mistakes on the PS3.

My point? Xbox 360 players can and will switch back if MS trips themselves up just as Sony did in this past-gen.
 

boozeman

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Loyal to a degree.

Remember, PS1 and PS2 dominated the gaming market like no console before it. Even Nintendo in its hey-day never had the stranglehold that Sony did between 1995-2005. The only consoles in history to sell over 100 million units are the PS1 and PS2. But Xbox won the last generation if you go by just sales and the fact that developers preferred to make games on the Xbox first then port over to PS3, when it used to be the other way around.

Sony being arrogant and pricing the PS3 at 600 bucks when it first came out was a huge mistake. That and the decision to get rid of the rumble controllers because they said it was a "last-gen" feature, and the insistence of going with proprietary Sony architecture which made programming for the PS3 a headache for developers. All of these things contributed to Sony losing their place at the top.

This time, they went with a very PC like architecture and the developers are already talking about how easy it is to design for, and Sony has said themselves they are looking to price the PS4 much more competitively than they did the last time. So the good news is that they seem to have learned from their mistakes on the PS3.

My point? Xbox 360 players can and will switch back if MS trips themselves up just as Sony did in this past-gen.
Damn, you are a gaming nerd, you magnificent bastard.
 

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Damn, you are a gaming nerd, you magnificent bastard.
:lol

When I read that back to myself, I realized the :geek was missing at the end of it.

As a hardcore gaming nerd, I can say that Carp is right in that I am loyal to Sony and the games on PS3, but that's because there are so many exclusives you can only find on Playstation.

But I'd say most gamers play the mainstream games that can be found on both systems. The Madden's, the Call of Duty's, etc. That's the market that ultimately decides which console will win, and that's the demographic that can be swayed to one side or the other depending on what each console offers.
 

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Well, Microsoft didn't elaborate, and that was another one of the criticisms aimed their way after yesterday's conference - their answers/responses weren't very clear. Almost as if they weren't really sure themselves.

The word right now is that Microsoft will have their own proprietary trade-in system via online. How this is going to work? No one really knows. The speculation is that they will have like a license for each game which you can then "surrender" and then get credit or something. Again, this is speculation because MS couldn't explain it clearly.

What is fairly certain is that you won't be able to just turn that into Gamestop and renting games for that thing is going to be a pain in the ass or not possible at all.
Original reports were that you might not even be able to play the Xbox unless it was online. They cut back on that but it is still going to have a lot of people in an uproar. The real question is if developers will force Sony to follow suit. After all if you can buy and sell used games on the PS4 that will hurt the bottom dollar for the EA Sports of the world. If PS4 doesn't do what Xbox has done I think they will start to destroy them in sales.

As far as product loyalty there is some of that. I mean I play on my PS3 with all of my real life friends who own PS3. I wouldn't switch systems because we wouldn't all be able to play each other any longer. The only way I'd switch systems really is if all of my friends also decided to switch systems. Hell I'm perfectly happy with my PS3 but I will buy a PS4 as soon as they come out because that's what most people will be using rather quickly.
 

Texas Ace

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Original reports were that you might not even be able to play the Xbox unless it was online. They cut back on that but it is still going to have a lot of people in an uproar. The real question is if developers will force Sony to follow suit. After all if you can buy and sell used games on the PS4 that will hurt the bottom dollar for the EA Sports of the world. If PS4 doesn't do what Xbox has done I think they will start to destroy them in sales.
I think it's actually the other way around.

As for EA, they announced that they are getting rid of the online pass thing, so I don't think the care about games being passed around now because they will no longer be charging you for an online pass if you're using a used copy.

The developers may like the idea of killing the trade-in market in theory, but at the end of the day, they need the Gamestops, Best Buys, and Amazons to sell their product, and all of them offer a trade-in program. Gamestop makes a ton of revenue from the used games market so they would probably more inclined to favor Sony because that would allow them to continue making money off of used games whereas the Xbox would not.

So for as much as the developers may like MS's idea, they need those companies to sell their merchandise so they aren't going to alienate them.
 
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