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It's a pain in the ass, but that's what happens with every charge, part of the American "justice" system. When law school costs six figures only the wealthy can afford a lawyer.
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Walmart Shooting Video Shows John Crawford Put Down Toy Gun, Fell Before Cops Shot Him [Graphic]
Newly released video of the Ohio Walmart shooting on August 5 that killed 22-year-old dad of two John Crawford III appears to show that Crawford, who was carrying a toy gun he had picked up from a store shelf, was not threatening anyone with the fake gun — and in fact dropped the toy and fell to his knees before Beavercreek Police Officers opened fire, shooting him dead.
The in-store surveillance video was made public on Wednesday, after a grand jury refused to indict police officers David Darkow and Sean Williams, ruling that they used justifiable force in gunning down the unarmed Crawford — pictured above with his mother — who appears in the video to be in the process of surrendering, or attempting to surrender.
Before viewing the video, please be warned — the images it contains are disturbing and include the moment of the shooting, when Crawford is fatally gunned down by the police officers.
The video tracks Crawford as he wanders through the store, apparently preoccupied with a cell phone conversation with the mother of his two children. Crawford’s then-current girlfriend was also in the Walmart, shopping in the women’s clothing section, as Crawford strolled through the aisles by himself.
The video also shows the moment he picked up the toy rifle out of an open box on a Walmart store shelf. But as he walks, seemingly with no specific destination through the Walmart, he carries the children’s rifle at his side, pointed toward the floor.
At no point does the Walmart security video show Crawford pointing the gun at any other shopper or displaying it in a threatening manner at all.
The officers were responding to a 911 call from 24-year-old Ronald Ritchie, who told the 911 operator as well as the media in interviews after the shooting, that Crawford was “like, pointing it at people” and was also loading bullets into the gun, the latter of which would have been impossible because the gun was not real and did not accept bullets.
Ritchie later changed his story and said that he never saw Crawford threatening anyone with the gun. But the 911 caller did not explain why he told police that Crawford did so.
The case, similar to the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Missouri, has gained national attention in part because the officers who killed Crawford, who was African-American, are both white, as is 911 caller Ritchie.
The legal standard for whether or not deadly force by a police officer is “justifiable” often relies upon an officer’s subjective “feeling” of being threatened, which means that an officer who “feels” that young, African-American men are threatening by their very nature may have a more lax standard of when use of deadly force is acceptable against them.
After the grand jury failed to return indictments in the Walmart shooting, the United States Justice Department said it would conduct its own investigation to determine whether Crawford’s civil rights were violated when police shot and killed him
Newly released video of the Ohio Walmart shooting on August 5 that killed 22-year-old dad of two John Crawford III appears to show that Crawford, who was carrying a toy gun he had picked up from a store shelf, was not threatening anyone with the fake gun — and in fact dropped the toy and fell to his knees before Beavercreek Police Officers opened fire, shooting him dead.
The in-store surveillance video was made public on Wednesday, after a grand jury refused to indict police officers David Darkow and Sean Williams, ruling that they used justifiable force in gunning down the unarmed Crawford — pictured above with his mother — who appears in the video to be in the process of surrendering, or attempting to surrender.
Before viewing the video, please be warned — the images it contains are disturbing and include the moment of the shooting, when Crawford is fatally gunned down by the police officers.
The video tracks Crawford as he wanders through the store, apparently preoccupied with a cell phone conversation with the mother of his two children. Crawford’s then-current girlfriend was also in the Walmart, shopping in the women’s clothing section, as Crawford strolled through the aisles by himself.
The video also shows the moment he picked up the toy rifle out of an open box on a Walmart store shelf. But as he walks, seemingly with no specific destination through the Walmart, he carries the children’s rifle at his side, pointed toward the floor.
At no point does the Walmart security video show Crawford pointing the gun at any other shopper or displaying it in a threatening manner at all.
The officers were responding to a 911 call from 24-year-old Ronald Ritchie, who told the 911 operator as well as the media in interviews after the shooting, that Crawford was “like, pointing it at people” and was also loading bullets into the gun, the latter of which would have been impossible because the gun was not real and did not accept bullets.
Ritchie later changed his story and said that he never saw Crawford threatening anyone with the gun. But the 911 caller did not explain why he told police that Crawford did so.
The case, similar to the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Missouri, has gained national attention in part because the officers who killed Crawford, who was African-American, are both white, as is 911 caller Ritchie.
The legal standard for whether or not deadly force by a police officer is “justifiable” often relies upon an officer’s subjective “feeling” of being threatened, which means that an officer who “feels” that young, African-American men are threatening by their very nature may have a more lax standard of when use of deadly force is acceptable against them.
After the grand jury failed to return indictments in the Walmart shooting, the United States Justice Department said it would conduct its own investigation to determine whether Crawford’s civil rights were violated when police shot and killed him
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No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle
By Leigh Remizowski, CNN
updated 3:37 PM EDT, Wed September 24, 2014
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(CNN) -- A grand jury in Ohio has decided not to indict police officers in the August shooting death of a 22-year-old man carrying an air rifle at a Walmart store in Beavercreek, Ohio.
"The grand jury listened to all the evidence, voted on it and decided that the police officers were justified in their use of force that day," prosecutor Mark Piepmeier said on Wednesday.
In a statement, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said the U.S. Justice Department will review the shooting of Cincinnati resident John Crawford III.
"Now that the state criminal investigation has finished, it is an appropriate time for the United States Department of Justice to look into whether any federal laws were violated during this shooting," the statement said.
Michael Wright, attorney representing Crawford's family, said the decision against indicting was "incomprehensible."
"It makes absolutely no sense that an unarmed 22-year-old man would be killed doing what any American citizen does every day: Shopping at a Walmart store," he said in a statement. "The Crawford family is extremely disappointed, disgusted and confused. They are heartbroken that justice was not done in the tragic death of their only son."
The statement added, "The Crawford family feels they have been victimized all over again and once again request that the U.S. Department of Justice conduct an independent investigation into the tragic death of John H. Crawford, lll."
Crawford was shot and killed by police at a Walmart in Beavercreek on August 5 while carrying an air rifle through the store. Police responded to the scene after a witness called 911 and told dispatchers that Crawford was walking around with a rifle and "waving it back and forth."
According to police, when officers arrived, Crawford did not comply with their commands to drop his weapon.
This undated photo provided by the family of John Crawford III shows Crawford, right, with his mother, Tressa Sherrod. A special grand jury will look into the fatal shooting of Crawford by police in an Ohio Wal-Mart and will be asked to determine whether any charges should be filed in the case that has drawn national attention to the southwestern Ohio city.
A special grand jury will look into the fatal shooting of Crawford by police in an Ohio Wal-Mart and will be asked to determine whether any charges should be filed in the case that has drawn national attention to the southwestern Ohio city.
He was shot twice, once in the elbow and once in the torso, Piepmeier said.
Crawford died shortly after being transported to a nearby hospital. His death was ruled a homicide by gunshot wound to the torso, according to the local coroner's office.
Piepmeier, who led the team of prosecutors that presented evidence to the Greene County grand jury, called Crawford's death "a perfect storm of circumstances."
First, there was the fact that an unwrapped air rifle was left on top of its box inside of the store. Next, the fact that Crawford decided to pick it up and carry it with him. And the fact that the 911 caller, identified in police reports as Ronald Ritchie, noticed the weapon in Crawford's hand and called authorities.
And finally, the fact that the gun bore such a strong resemblance to an actual automatic weapon.
"It is very hard to tell the difference," Piepmeier said.
Prosecutors also showed surveillance video from inside the store, which had not been made public until Wednesday. In the video, Crawford can be seen picking the air rifle off a shelf and walking around the store with it before being confronted by police.
The two police officers who were involved -- Sgt. David Darkow and Officer Sean Williams -- were placed on paid administrative leave after the shooting, but Darkow has returned to active duty, according to Beavercreek city attorney Stephen McHugh.
Williams will be assigned to administrative desk duty until a federal review of the circumstances surrounding Crawford's death is complete, according to a statement.
Wright said Walmart surveillance video and eyewitness accounts prove Williams "shot and killed Mr. Crawford while his back was turned and without adequate warning."
Beavercreek City Manager Michael Cornell and Police Chief Dennis Evers have requested that the FBI review the case to determine whether there were civil rights violations, the statement said.
"The events of August 5th were tragic and we wish the outcome of that evening had been different," the statement says.
The statement said Darkow and Williams "did what they were trained to do to protect the public."
Piepmeier called the case one with "no bad guys."
"Mr. Crawford did not commit a crime that day," he said.
The nine-member grand jury, which convened on Monday, heard from 18 witnesses. An indictment on charges of murder, reckless homicide or negligent homicide would have required seven votes, Piepmeier said.
Vote counts from grand jury votes are not made public.
By Leigh Remizowski, CNN
updated 3:37 PM EDT, Wed September 24, 2014
Watch this video
(CNN) -- A grand jury in Ohio has decided not to indict police officers in the August shooting death of a 22-year-old man carrying an air rifle at a Walmart store in Beavercreek, Ohio.
"The grand jury listened to all the evidence, voted on it and decided that the police officers were justified in their use of force that day," prosecutor Mark Piepmeier said on Wednesday.
In a statement, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said the U.S. Justice Department will review the shooting of Cincinnati resident John Crawford III.
"Now that the state criminal investigation has finished, it is an appropriate time for the United States Department of Justice to look into whether any federal laws were violated during this shooting," the statement said.
Michael Wright, attorney representing Crawford's family, said the decision against indicting was "incomprehensible."
"It makes absolutely no sense that an unarmed 22-year-old man would be killed doing what any American citizen does every day: Shopping at a Walmart store," he said in a statement. "The Crawford family is extremely disappointed, disgusted and confused. They are heartbroken that justice was not done in the tragic death of their only son."
The statement added, "The Crawford family feels they have been victimized all over again and once again request that the U.S. Department of Justice conduct an independent investigation into the tragic death of John H. Crawford, lll."
Crawford was shot and killed by police at a Walmart in Beavercreek on August 5 while carrying an air rifle through the store. Police responded to the scene after a witness called 911 and told dispatchers that Crawford was walking around with a rifle and "waving it back and forth."
According to police, when officers arrived, Crawford did not comply with their commands to drop his weapon.
This undated photo provided by the family of John Crawford III shows Crawford, right, with his mother, Tressa Sherrod. A special grand jury will look into the fatal shooting of Crawford by police in an Ohio Wal-Mart and will be asked to determine whether any charges should be filed in the case that has drawn national attention to the southwestern Ohio city.
A special grand jury will look into the fatal shooting of Crawford by police in an Ohio Wal-Mart and will be asked to determine whether any charges should be filed in the case that has drawn national attention to the southwestern Ohio city.
He was shot twice, once in the elbow and once in the torso, Piepmeier said.
Crawford died shortly after being transported to a nearby hospital. His death was ruled a homicide by gunshot wound to the torso, according to the local coroner's office.
Piepmeier, who led the team of prosecutors that presented evidence to the Greene County grand jury, called Crawford's death "a perfect storm of circumstances."
First, there was the fact that an unwrapped air rifle was left on top of its box inside of the store. Next, the fact that Crawford decided to pick it up and carry it with him. And the fact that the 911 caller, identified in police reports as Ronald Ritchie, noticed the weapon in Crawford's hand and called authorities.
And finally, the fact that the gun bore such a strong resemblance to an actual automatic weapon.
"It is very hard to tell the difference," Piepmeier said.
Prosecutors also showed surveillance video from inside the store, which had not been made public until Wednesday. In the video, Crawford can be seen picking the air rifle off a shelf and walking around the store with it before being confronted by police.
The two police officers who were involved -- Sgt. David Darkow and Officer Sean Williams -- were placed on paid administrative leave after the shooting, but Darkow has returned to active duty, according to Beavercreek city attorney Stephen McHugh.
Williams will be assigned to administrative desk duty until a federal review of the circumstances surrounding Crawford's death is complete, according to a statement.
Wright said Walmart surveillance video and eyewitness accounts prove Williams "shot and killed Mr. Crawford while his back was turned and without adequate warning."
Beavercreek City Manager Michael Cornell and Police Chief Dennis Evers have requested that the FBI review the case to determine whether there were civil rights violations, the statement said.
"The events of August 5th were tragic and we wish the outcome of that evening had been different," the statement says.
The statement said Darkow and Williams "did what they were trained to do to protect the public."
Piepmeier called the case one with "no bad guys."
"Mr. Crawford did not commit a crime that day," he said.
The nine-member grand jury, which convened on Monday, heard from 18 witnesses. An indictment on charges of murder, reckless homicide or negligent homicide would have required seven votes, Piepmeier said.
Vote counts from grand jury votes are not made public.
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Clay_Allison
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I wonder if the grand jury would feel the same if (let's take race out of it) the victim in the shooting was a woman. Would they shoot a confused woman who was buying a BB gun for her son?
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So in your mind by looking at that video the cops did the right thing?
Ohio is an open carry state so what did this guy do that was threatening in any way?
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That's actually not at all what the jury ruled. What they ruled is that the prosecuting attorney doesn't have enough evidence to support that there is probable cause to believe the officer committed a crime. Grand Jury's don't decide that someone did or didn't do the right thing. In fact they don't decide that someone did or didn't commit a crime.
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You have to wonder, was it a good faith effort by the prosecutor to get an indictment or did he want a no-bill?
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Yes you do.
I have to start thinking you want to appoint a special prosecutor from somewhere else in officer shooting cases to remove any inkling of bias.
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Reread what I said and get back to me.
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I think that's a good idea. Local cops and local prosecutors are on the same team, they have to work together for obvious reasons. A prosecutor from a neighboring county would be more impartial.
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LOS ANGELES (AP) — A woman punched repeatedly by a California Highway Patrol officer in an incident caught on video will receive $1.5 million under a newly reached settlement, and the officer has agreed to resign.
CHP Commissioner Joe Farrow confirmed the settlement in an emailed statement Wednesday night and an attorney for Marlene Pinnock confirmed the terms for The Associated Press.
The settlement came after nine hours of mediation in Los Angeles.
Pinnock's attorney Caree Harper says they wanted to make sure the 51-year-old Pinnock could have financial stability for the rest of her life and wanted to make sure that Officer Daniel Andrew would not be an officer any longer.
The July 1 video of Andrew punching Pinnock by the side of a freeway was captured by a passing driver and spread widely on the internet and television.
CHP Commissioner Joe Farrow confirmed the settlement in an emailed statement Wednesday night and an attorney for Marlene Pinnock confirmed the terms for The Associated Press.
The settlement came after nine hours of mediation in Los Angeles.
Pinnock's attorney Caree Harper says they wanted to make sure the 51-year-old Pinnock could have financial stability for the rest of her life and wanted to make sure that Officer Daniel Andrew would not be an officer any longer.
The July 1 video of Andrew punching Pinnock by the side of a freeway was captured by a passing driver and spread widely on the internet and television.
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Ok maybe I did not understand what you meant.
Do you think this was a justified shooting?
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It's hard to tell from that video because you can't hear what's being said. But, if they just shot as soon as the doors open (which is what it looks like) then no, I don't believe it was justified.
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IMO it does not matter what was said, the officer at no point was in danger and like I said before Ohio is an open carry state.
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Cop's Tip For Not Getting Raped By A Cop: 'Don't Get Pulled Over'
The Huffington Post | By Laura Bassett
Posted: 09/23/2014 6:02 pm EDT Updated: 09/24/2014 11:59 am EDT
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In response to the arrests of three law enforcement officials in Oklahoma for sexually assaulting women while on the job, an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper told women they can avoid getting raped by a cop if they simply follow traffic laws.
Raw Story first pointed out on Tuesday that Capt. George Brown, a state trooper, shared a few tips for women in an interview with local NBC News affiliate KJRH. Brown told the KJRH anchor that women can keep their car doors locked and speak through a cracked window if a trooper approaches them. If the trooper asks a woman to get out of the car, Brown said, she can ask "in a polite way" why he wants her to do that.
But the "best tip that he can give," the anchor said on air of his interview with Brown, "is to follow the law in the first place so you don’t get pulled over."
In the past month, a Tulsa County Deputy, an OHP trooper and an Oklahoma City police officer have all been charged with repeatedly raping and sexually assaulting women while on the job.
Brown said Oklahoma law enforcement officials are working to retain the public's trust. "There are entirely more good officers than there are the few bad apples that exist out there, and we want people to know that," Brown told KJRH. "We have a lot of good troopers, a lot of good officers out there doing a lot of good things daily, and we want to continue that and have the public continue their trust in us."
The Huffington Post | By Laura Bassett
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In response to the arrests of three law enforcement officials in Oklahoma for sexually assaulting women while on the job, an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper told women they can avoid getting raped by a cop if they simply follow traffic laws.
Raw Story first pointed out on Tuesday that Capt. George Brown, a state trooper, shared a few tips for women in an interview with local NBC News affiliate KJRH. Brown told the KJRH anchor that women can keep their car doors locked and speak through a cracked window if a trooper approaches them. If the trooper asks a woman to get out of the car, Brown said, she can ask "in a polite way" why he wants her to do that.
But the "best tip that he can give," the anchor said on air of his interview with Brown, "is to follow the law in the first place so you don’t get pulled over."
In the past month, a Tulsa County Deputy, an OHP trooper and an Oklahoma City police officer have all been charged with repeatedly raping and sexually assaulting women while on the job.
Brown said Oklahoma law enforcement officials are working to retain the public's trust. "There are entirely more good officers than there are the few bad apples that exist out there, and we want people to know that," Brown told KJRH. "We have a lot of good troopers, a lot of good officers out there doing a lot of good things daily, and we want to continue that and have the public continue their trust in us."
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It is known what the officer was told and it should not matter, a police officers job is to asses the situation himself and act accordingly.
Not shoot first and ask questions later.
Do you see this guy doing anything threatening at any point?
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Wow.
