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Pretty much.
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Angrymesscan
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And yet...
Any of you willing to bet that Alabama team doesn't win Monday? There's no way you can honestly say Alabama is not one of the top 4 teams in the country.
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I can say it isn't as cut and dry as you make it sound. Clemson was their first impressive win all season and Clemson's QB looked especially bad in that game. Makes me think how overrated the ACC was this year that Clemson could sleep walk through that conference. Well, except against Syracuse. lawl
Bama beat a bad FSU team that needed to reschedule Louisiana-Monroe just to get bowl eligible and Fresno St. Didn't play Georgia, lost to Auburn. The rest of the conference was a joke.
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I like UCF claiming a national championship, it's to prove a point and they had a great season, why not?
With that said, there is a 0.000% chance they could win two games in a row in a playoff against the likes of Alabama/Georgia/Oklahoma/Clemson.
With that said, there is a 0.000% chance they could win two games in a row in a playoff against the likes of Alabama/Georgia/Oklahoma/Clemson.
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I think everybody does except Midswat. For some reason he has chosen this as his stand.
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I will say that is pretty funny.
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Mediots and ESPN? I don't watch or listen to them. Basically was talking about here which is about the extent of my sports info now. Don't see the harm in it at all. Its not like its going to create an asterisk in the record books but I do see their point.
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It’s been mocked by a lot of media and fans…from the SEC. They probably don’t like their precious all SEC national championship game being overshadowed. Lots of national writers have taken it for what it is and actually supported it.
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Alabama claims to be the National Champ in 1942 despite winning 5 games and not finishing the year in the AP top 20.
I read yesterday that Oklahoma St claimed a National championship in the 60’s...in 2016!
Lets not act like this is something new that “traditional schools” haven’t done.
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Like it or not, strength of schedule an issue for Group of Five teams
By Matt Baker, Times Staff Writer
After staying relatively quiet about a system stacked against it, UCF started to speak out about the College Football Playoff after capping off its perfect season with a Peach Bowl victory.
"Only thing we can do is keep winning games, and I don’t think we have any more games left to win," standout linebacker and Lakewood High alumnus Shaquem Griffin told reporters after a New Year’s Day win over Auburn. "I guess to the (selection) committee, it’s just what more can we do?"
Nothing. And that’s the problem.
While the four-team CFP is an improvement over the two-team BCS, it puts Group of Five teams at an almost insurmountable disadvantage. As a result, the Knights — the first Division I-A team to finish undefeated since 2013 Florida State — won’t win a national championship. They won’t earn a split title with the winner of Monday’s Alabama-Georgia game, either, no matter how hard UCF fans and administrators lobby for it.
Aside from a perfect record, the Knights’ best argument centers on four-loss Auburn. The Knights beat the Tigers 34-27. Georgia and ’Bama lost to Auburn by double digits, so UCF has a transitive win over both College Football Playoff finalists.
Too bad it’s not that simple.
Georgia avenged its loss to Auburn by beating the Tigers in the SEC title game, at the same neutral site (Mercedes-Benz Stadium) that hosted the Peach Bowl. UCF won by seven and was outgained 421-411; Georgia won by 17 and amassed 192 more yards than the Tigers.
Losses matter in the College Football Playoff era — just ask Ohio State — but wins matter, too.
"UCF is an excellent team," CFP executive director Bill Hancock told ESPN on Tuesday, "but you still have to take into account who each team played and defeated during the regular season."
That’s where UCF’s case begins to crack.
The Knights beat only one team ranked in the top 30 nationally in the Sagarin ratings’ analytics: Auburn. ’Bama beat four, including three (Clemson, LSU and Florida State) by double digits. Georgia’s resume had three top-10 wins plus No. 17 Mississippi State.
UCF’s average opponent was ranked No. 81 by Sagarin. That’s significantly worse than Georgia (50) and ’Bama (58).
Even UCF’s non-conference schedule lagged behind ’Bama and Georgia, thanks to bad luck.
The Knights scheduled two Power Five opponents. One (Maryland) had an injury epidemic and finished 4-8; the other (Georgia Tech) was canceled because of Hurricane Irma. ’Bama, meanwhile, beat FSU and 10-win Fresno State, while Georgia knocked off 10-3 Notre Dame and crushed the rival Yellow Jackets, both on the road.
While the Peach Bowl bolstered UCF’s case, the rest of the bowl season hurt it. The Knights’ next-best opponent (Memphis) lost in its home stadium to 8-5 Iowa State. UCF’s third-best foe, USF, needed a last-gasp touchdown to beat 6-7 Texas Tech in Birmingham.
None of this is meant to take away from UCF’s season. It’s extremely hard to go undefeated, in any sport, at any level. Scott Frost backed up his national coach of the year honors by remarkably balancing his new job at Nebraska with beating the SEC West champions.
This isn’t meant to blame UCF, either. Griffin and the Knights can only play who’s on their schedule — and upgrading that is a major challenge, as big-name Power Five teams seem reluctant to play the Group of Five’s best.
Maybe UCF’s season and another SEC vs. SEC championship game will be enough to change the system. Expanding the playoff to eight and guaranteeing a spot for the best Group of Five champion will eliminate any future debate and help the next UCF.
But until that happens, there’s nothing Griffin and his teammates can do.
Except enjoy the best season in school history.
By Matt Baker, Times Staff Writer
After staying relatively quiet about a system stacked against it, UCF started to speak out about the College Football Playoff after capping off its perfect season with a Peach Bowl victory.
"Only thing we can do is keep winning games, and I don’t think we have any more games left to win," standout linebacker and Lakewood High alumnus Shaquem Griffin told reporters after a New Year’s Day win over Auburn. "I guess to the (selection) committee, it’s just what more can we do?"
Nothing. And that’s the problem.
While the four-team CFP is an improvement over the two-team BCS, it puts Group of Five teams at an almost insurmountable disadvantage. As a result, the Knights — the first Division I-A team to finish undefeated since 2013 Florida State — won’t win a national championship. They won’t earn a split title with the winner of Monday’s Alabama-Georgia game, either, no matter how hard UCF fans and administrators lobby for it.
Aside from a perfect record, the Knights’ best argument centers on four-loss Auburn. The Knights beat the Tigers 34-27. Georgia and ’Bama lost to Auburn by double digits, so UCF has a transitive win over both College Football Playoff finalists.
Too bad it’s not that simple.
Georgia avenged its loss to Auburn by beating the Tigers in the SEC title game, at the same neutral site (Mercedes-Benz Stadium) that hosted the Peach Bowl. UCF won by seven and was outgained 421-411; Georgia won by 17 and amassed 192 more yards than the Tigers.
Losses matter in the College Football Playoff era — just ask Ohio State — but wins matter, too.
"UCF is an excellent team," CFP executive director Bill Hancock told ESPN on Tuesday, "but you still have to take into account who each team played and defeated during the regular season."
That’s where UCF’s case begins to crack.
The Knights beat only one team ranked in the top 30 nationally in the Sagarin ratings’ analytics: Auburn. ’Bama beat four, including three (Clemson, LSU and Florida State) by double digits. Georgia’s resume had three top-10 wins plus No. 17 Mississippi State.
UCF’s average opponent was ranked No. 81 by Sagarin. That’s significantly worse than Georgia (50) and ’Bama (58).
Even UCF’s non-conference schedule lagged behind ’Bama and Georgia, thanks to bad luck.
The Knights scheduled two Power Five opponents. One (Maryland) had an injury epidemic and finished 4-8; the other (Georgia Tech) was canceled because of Hurricane Irma. ’Bama, meanwhile, beat FSU and 10-win Fresno State, while Georgia knocked off 10-3 Notre Dame and crushed the rival Yellow Jackets, both on the road.
While the Peach Bowl bolstered UCF’s case, the rest of the bowl season hurt it. The Knights’ next-best opponent (Memphis) lost in its home stadium to 8-5 Iowa State. UCF’s third-best foe, USF, needed a last-gasp touchdown to beat 6-7 Texas Tech in Birmingham.
None of this is meant to take away from UCF’s season. It’s extremely hard to go undefeated, in any sport, at any level. Scott Frost backed up his national coach of the year honors by remarkably balancing his new job at Nebraska with beating the SEC West champions.
This isn’t meant to blame UCF, either. Griffin and the Knights can only play who’s on their schedule — and upgrading that is a major challenge, as big-name Power Five teams seem reluctant to play the Group of Five’s best.
Maybe UCF’s season and another SEC vs. SEC championship game will be enough to change the system. Expanding the playoff to eight and guaranteeing a spot for the best Group of Five champion will eliminate any future debate and help the next UCF.
But until that happens, there’s nothing Griffin and his teammates can do.
Except enjoy the best season in school history.
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Wow, Middie, you’ve picked a really stupid thing to latch on to. Apparently, all the shit you took (that you said didn’t bother you) did bother you, and you are acting out like a spoiled child now. Guess what? The UT coaching search was a ducking fiasco and a black eye on the school and its administration. You deserved to take shit about it. Especially after all of your idiotic Gruden predications from “sources”. Your acting out now is extremely transparent.
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If I was bothered, I would log out. I promise you I've got much thicker skin than you think. But if someone wants to dish it out and come at me over what my school did, then by all means yeah I'll dish out a little too. It's how it works.
UCF turned their great season into a joke. So imma joke them.
Regarding the UT coaching search/fiasco etc... we're going to rebound nicely. You'll see.
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Bullshit. You’re throwing a tantrum like a child. It’s literally the only ammo you have in this thread right now.
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You will have plenty of ammo on me. Read the thread. It shouldn’t be hard to figure out.
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