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  • #16
    Pay Martin whatever it takes, I don't *think* it will take $13M/year because he has never struck me as the greedy holdout type. Rumors like this could be a negotiating tactic put out there by his agent, we've seen that happen plenty of times.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
      We have 60 mil in cap space next year. No reason to worry.

      Although I'd be hesitant to pay a RB big money. I may just draft a new one when the time comes. Of course RBs don't really get huge money either. Not comparatively at least.

      We *have* to pay Zeke. I know RBs tend to be a dime a dozen, but this one's special. And, he's currently the only special talent on the offense. I shudder to think how mediocre this offense would be without him.

      In fact, we saw a glimpse of it last year and it was some of the worst offense we've seen in the history of the franchise.

      The good news is he'll still only be about 24 or so when we extend him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
        We *have* to pay Zeke. I know RBs tend to be a dime a dozen, but this one's special. And, he's currently the only special talent on the offense. I shudder to think how mediocre this offense would be without him.

        In fact, we saw a glimpse of it last year and it was some of the worst offense we've seen in the history of the franchise.

        The good news is he'll still only be about 24 or so when we extend him.
        That's 3 seasons from now. It's a life time in the NFL. Who knows what other weapons we will have by then.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
          That's 3 seasons from now. It's a life time in the NFL. Who knows what other weapons we will have by then.
          Not to mention, if he’s still that special in 3 years, we can franchise him and have had him for most of his prime.

          I don’t really think there’s an NFL RB worth keeping more than 6 seasons.

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          • #20
            I would extend Zeke if his production continues consistently and he keeps his nose clean until the time comes but I don't see a reason to rush into it. If he does, he's still fairly young and will have at least 6-7 solid years left in him.

            Agree with Townsend, the RBs a team just can't live without are few and far between. Once they get too costly, even some all timers move on to different teams.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DLK150 View Post
              Once they get too costly, even some all timers move on to different teams.
              Which all timers would that be? I don't recall any off the top of my head that left their teams while in their primes. Of course, our definitions of all timer might not be the same.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by deadrise View Post
                Yeah, I don't know why it always has to be such a cat and mouse game. There's a framework, a template for what the guy should be paid. Just get somewhere close to that and be done with it. Why is there always such bullshit drama?
                Maybe it would be nice to win a contract negotiation for once. He's not going anywhere.

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                • #23
                  Another variable is Demarcus Lawrence’s contract. Specifics for each are easier to determine if they can get DLAW’s franchise number of 17 million off this year’s cap.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mschmidt64 View Post
                    Maybe it would be nice to win a contract negotiation for once. He's not going anywhere.

                    Who "wins" a contract negotiation? If a player, especially a player like Martin, winds up with less than he thinks he should be getting, what good does that do anybody?

                    There's a template -- what are the top two or three guards in the league getting? That's where he should be. If he gets, say, half a million more, give or take, who cares? Who loses?

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                    • #25
                      With every player on the oline being of high caliber, where's the tipping point of salary? How many of these guys can be paid top tier dollar concurrently?
                      defense wins championships

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                      • #26
                        Pay him.

                        I don't think he's a risk to regress after an extension like a Miles Austin or Tyrone Crawford (lacking pure talent, not elite, only 1-2 years of top-level play), Bryant (head case, unwilling or unable to adjust to effects of injury), Marion Barber (head case, short shelf life position) and so forth. Extending him now is a lot like extending a prime Witten, you have a guy with a long track record of elite play, a great work ethic, his game isn't reliant on explosive athleticism so he'd be more durable coming back from an injury and no red flags on or off the field.

                        There is significantly less risk in extending him compared to other candidates like Lawrence (health, only one year of elite play so far) or Irving (head case, never had a full season of elite play).

                        The only real issue is the relative value of his position but that is more of a theoretical/philosophical thing, this team is more reliant on the OL than any other in the league so I think that argument goes out the window for this particular organization.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by p1_ View Post
                          With every player on the oline being of high caliber, where's the tipping point of salary? How many of these guys can be paid top tier dollar concurrently?
                          Tyron is getting paid well below market value, Collins is only being paid around 7 a year and Williams is on a rookie deal.

                          As far as Collins, if he doesn't take a few steps forward this season and next I'd let him go once his deal runs out after the 2019 season.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Simpleton View Post
                            Tyron is getting paid well below market value.

                            2018 Left Tackle Cap Hit Rankings

                            1 Tyron Smith Left Tackle $17,545,000
                            2 Russell Okung Left Tackle $14,968,750
                            3 Eric Fisher Left Tackle $13,950,000
                            4 Trent Williams Left Tackle $13,856,250
                            5 Terron Armstead Left Tackle $13,500,000
                            ~~~~~~~~
                            http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/...t/left-tackle/

                            I must be missing something.
                            defense wins championships

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Simpleton View Post
                              Pay him.

                              I don't think he's a risk to regress after an extension like a Miles Austin or Tyrone Crawford (lacking pure talent, not elite, only 1-2 years of top-level play), Bryant (head case, unwilling or unable to adjust to effects of injury), Marion Barber (head case, short shelf life position) and so forth. Extending him now is a lot like extending a prime Witten, you have a guy with a long track record of elite play, a great work ethic, his game isn't reliant on explosive athleticism so he'd be more durable coming back from an injury and no red flags on or off the field.

                              There is significantly less risk in extending him compared to other candidates like Lawrence (health, only one year of elite play so far) or Irving (head case, never had a full season of elite play).

                              The only real issue is the relative value of his position but that is more of a theoretical/philosophical thing, this team is more reliant on the OL than any other in the league so I think that argument goes out the window for this particular organization.

                              At some point they're going to have to invest a lot of money in Zeke. So why not invest the money in the O-line that will ultimately protect the investment in Zeke?

                              Plus, guards tend to have long shelf-lives -- longer than, say, RBs or LBs. They're usually not head cases or prima donnas like WRs.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by p1_ View Post
                                2018 Left Tackle Cap Hit Rankings

                                1 Tyron Smith Left Tackle $17,545,000
                                2 Russell Okung Left Tackle $14,968,750
                                3 Eric Fisher Left Tackle $13,950,000
                                4 Trent Williams Left Tackle $13,856,250
                                5 Terron Armstead Left Tackle $13,500,000
                                ~~~~~~~~
                                http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/...t/left-tackle/

                                I must be missing something.
                                That cap charge actually drops after this year. Of course we do that so we can restructure if needed.

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