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  • #31
    Originally posted by Chocolate Lab View Post
    Didn't pay attention, did Vea have a bad combine or something? Because the few times I saw him I was most impressed at how he can move for a guy that big. This isn't like a Ted Washington type who's totally immobile. I'd definitely take him higher than 19.
    I would take him higher than 19, as well. I just wouldn't trade away picks to move up for him.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Iamtdg View Post
      I would take him higher than 19, as well. I just wouldn't trade away picks to move up for him.
      Then you won't be getting him higher than 19?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
        Then you won't be getting him higher than 19?
        My point being if we had the 15th pick I would take him there. I'm just not willing to move up from our current 19th pick to do so.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Iamtdg View Post
          My point being if we had the 15th pick I would take him there. I'm just not willing to move up from our current 19th pick to do so.
          Got it

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
            Then you won't be getting him higher than 19?
            He is saying that if the Cowboys were picking higher he wouldnt have a problem picking him there. Just not going to trade picks.


            Im in the same boat concerning Vea. I do think I have talked myself down on him, though, just because of the cowboys dumbass philosophy on guys like him. Why get caught up in the hype of something that just wont happen.
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            • #36
              This is the year to trade picks. I'm usually against it, but I am feeling very bullish about this defense if you can add 2 or 3 more pieces at key positions. One stud safety, one stud linebacker (ie a significantly better player than Hitchens), and maybe another DL piece... I'd take either a running game anchor or another pass rusher (Randy Gregory, are you out there?).

              That's why I'd be willing to throw money at Eric Reid or maybe even trade a 4th for Earl Thomas. Then trade up for Roquan Smith (3rd and 3rd next year?). Maybe get Harrison Phillips in the second.

              That defense will be fierce.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Rev View Post
                I do think I have talked myself down on him, though, just because of the cowboys dumbass philosophy on guys like him. Why get caught up in the hype of something that just wont happen.
                My goal is not to predict what the quick twitch asses of our "brain" trust will do.

                I'm only interested in the biggest impact players that we can realistically grab.

                The best defensive players will be gone by 19, and you can forget trading away a 2nd round pick to get Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds.

                But Vea could be had, and maybe James too. Ridley should also be within similar striking distance, but I think demand will push him out of reach.

                The extra picks will make a big difference in total, so we can trade a 4th or even a 3rd rounder away to get a prime player.

                Vea is a much better prospect than Jonathan Hankins, for example, and will only get better. I liken him to Haloti Ngata.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
                  My goal is not to predict what the quick twitch asses of our "brain" trust will do.

                  I'm only interested in the biggest impact players that we can realistically grab.

                  The best defensive players will be gone by 19, and you can forget trading away a 2nd round pick to get Roquan Smith or Tremaine Edmunds.

                  But Vea could be had, and maybe James too. Ridley should also be within similar striking distance, but I think demand will push him out of reach.

                  The extra picks will make a big difference in total, so we can trade a 4th or even a 3rd rounder away to get a prime player.

                  Vea is a much better prospect than Jonathan Hankins, for example, and will only get better. I liken him to Haloti Ngata.

                  Im not saying you have to predict who they get. Im saying Vea is not even in the conversation as a choice for said prediction. Just not going to stress myself over a choice that has no chance to be made. I like Vea and I think he would absolutely do well for us.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by mschmidt64 View Post
                    This is the year to trade picks. I'm usually against it, but I am feeling very bullish about this defense if you can add 2 or 3 more pieces at key positions. One stud safety, one stud linebacker (ie a significantly better player than Hitchens), and maybe another DL piece... I'd take either a running game anchor or another pass rusher (Randy Gregory, are you out there?).

                    That's why I'd be willing to throw money at Eric Reid or maybe even trade a 4th for Earl Thomas. Then trade up for Roquan Smith (3rd and 3rd next year?). Maybe get Harrison Phillips in the second.

                    That defense will be fierce.
                    The problem is if you trade up and let's say burn a third rounder. You may have just given up a legit starting WR in a draft like this. Your third rounder should still easily be a starter long term. Like Lewis was last year.

                    I just don't know if it's worth sacrificing two starters to get a Roquan for example. He better be really special to make that move. Especially with how badly this team needs talented youth at WR and TE and not to mention Oline talent still somehow.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
                      The problem is if you trade up and let's say burn a third rounder. You may have just given up a legit starting WR in a draft like this. Your third rounder should still easily be a starter long term. Like Lewis was last year.

                      I just don't know if it's worth sacrificing two starters to get a Roquan for example. He better be really special to make that move. Especially with how badly this team needs talented youth at WR and TE and not to mention Oline talent still somehow.
                      Yeah, but our history shows that we shouldn't necessarily count on finding Jordan Lewis or Maliek Collins every year. And even so, would I trade, say........ Calvin Ridley and a Maliek Collins level DT for a young, healthy Sean Lee? Yes I would.

                      If you go back to 2002, I think I would classify our hits and misses on third round picks as 7 out of 14, so that's about 50%. And included in those "hits" are third rounders like Tyrone Crawford who are really more backups.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mschmidt64 View Post
                        Yeah, but our history shows that we shouldn't necessarily count on finding Jordan Lewis or Maliek Collins every year. And even so, would I trade, say........ Calvin Ridley and a Maliek Collins level DT for a young, healthy Sean Lee? Yes I would.

                        If you go back to 2002, I think I would classify our hits and misses on third round picks as 7 out of 14, so that's about 50%. And included in those "hits" are third rounders like Tyrone Crawford who are really more backups.
                        By that logic though we could miss taking Roquan too. And we are talking 2 third round picks to probably move up. To rich for my blood. There is no guarantee you get Sean Lee. What if he is Darron Lee, still worth it?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
                          By that logic though we could miss taking Roquan too. And we are talking 2 third round picks to probably move up. To rich for my blood. There is no guarantee you get Sean Lee. What if he is Darron Lee, still worth it?
                          The point of moving up is that I'm relatively sure I'm getting a high impact player.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by mschmidt64 View Post
                            The point of moving up is that I'm relatively sure I'm getting a high impact player.
                            And I certainly think Roquan is a better player and better person than Darron Lee was. But it's not some 100% certainty. And certainly not enough to damage my chances of getting more than 1 or 2 starters out of this draft. You just can't live ignoring free agency and only getting 1 or 2 starters from a draft. It's why I hate packaging players to move up.

                            I get what you want though. I want real stars for this defense too. We have some good players. We just need some high impact guys on that side of the ball. But this draft will have lots of high impact players after Smith. We just need to do our jobs and find them. Derwin James though I'd be closer to being convinced on probably.

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