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  • #16
    Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
    Do we have numbers to that effect? I remember the offense wasn't particularly worse, but I don't remember the offense being glaringly better.
    People are too emotional to actually bring up relevant information. It's all general terms.

    Dez is holding the offense back, because it's too scary to blame the QB or coaches.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
      People are too emotional to actually bring up relevant information. It's all general terms.

      Dez is holding the offense back, because it's too scary to blame the QB or coaches.


      Every stat shows we are far worse when throwing to Dez than anyone else. I think you're confused on whose eyes are shut. Imaging that it's still 2014 and Dez is in his prime is the epitome of closing your eyes to the truth.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
        People are too emotional to actually bring up relevant information. It's all general terms.

        Dez is holding the offense back, because it's too scary to blame the QB or coaches.
        Don’t think for a minute that I don’t blame that dickhead robot for some of the reason our offense sucks. He is a major part of the blame. But, so is Dez. You can’t seem to recognize both parts of the blame. I can.
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        • #19
          The next Green Bay game was in the playoffs, and Dez was the one to get the offense going after a sputtering first half.
          Thanks to an injury-riddled GB secondary that got scorched again in Atlanta the following week. Michael Irvin won the majority of his match-ups with an elite corner like Green, whereas Jenkins and Norman make Dez invisible.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
            In 2015? Uhhh, no. That offense was terrible.

            The three games he missed in 2016:
            - Cincy and the 49ers, two teams that finished 6-9-1 and dead last in the NFL.
            - Green Bay where we had a couple of miracle plays Like Lucky's break and run followed by Dak's deepest pass of the game when the CB fell down.

            Besides in 2016, everything went right for this team. Perfect OL and RB play plus a string of average opponents.

            The next Green Bay game was in the playoffs, and Dez was the one to get the offense going after a sputtering first half.



            I agree his production last year doesn't justify that salary, but there are few better options.

            If there are specific options, no one on this board has listed them besides "Draft a couple"-- we can do that and keep Dez.



            It's exactly the opposite. If you read the posts, the emotional reactionis from those trying to dump him. They are fed up with the offense and looking for someone to blame.

            Folks are reaching for stats and pointing to his sideline screaming, which is completely irrelevant other than it keeps getting caught on camera.
            Yep, yep and yep.

            I mean, who the hell has an emotional connection to Dez? Certainly no one here for the most part.

            The emotions mostly seem to be coming from the"dump him" side.

            Personally, I'm looking at this logically. If we were presented with the opportunity to replace him with a roughly equivalent caliber player who is younger and/or cheaper, I'm all for it.

            But this emotional outburst narrative that claims that he is lazy, slow, and can't get separation is simply false. He's certainly flawed but he can still make plays and he still draws coverage, and he can still be pretty productive if the QB connects with him.

            The money argument is the best argument against keeping him, but someone would have to convince me that we'd use that money savings in a way that would benefit the team more than simply keeping him would. I just don't see us using the money savings in any better way.

            My overall point though, is that if people think dumping Dez will cure all or even most or much of what ails this offense, they are in for a rude awakening. This offense won't improve without the QB improving.

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            • #21
              *or the coaching improving

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
                Yep, yep and yep.

                I mean, who the hell has an emotional connection to Dez? Certainly no one here for the most part.

                The emotions mostly seem to be coming from the"dump him" side.

                Personally, I'm looking at this logically. If we were presented with the opportunity to replace him with a roughly equivalent caliber player who is younger and/or cheaper, I'm all for it.

                But this emotional outburst narrative that claims that he is lazy, slow, and can't get separation is simply false. He's certainly flawed but he can still make plays and he still draws coverage, and he can still be pretty productive if the QB connects with him.

                The money argument is the best argument against keeping him, but someone would have to convince me that we'd use that money savings in a way that would benefit the team more than simply keeping him would. I just don't see us using the money savings in any better way.

                My overall point though, is that if people think dumping Dez will cure all or even most or much of what ails this offense, they are in for a rude awakening. This offense won't improve without the QB improving.
                But, Geng, he has shown the be lazy, slow, and can’t get separation. That’s the problem. Couple that with the drops and yammering for the ball, and you have a detriment to the offense.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post

                  My overall point though, is that if people think dumping Dez will cure all or even most or much of what ails this offense, they are in for a rude awakening. This offense won't improve without the QB improving.
                  You're right, for you it's about Dak. Can't be that Dez is part of problem because that somehow absolves Dak in your mind. Dumping Dez as least cures some of the problem though which is the point. Because Dak isn't going anywhere.

                  And by the way I still feel lile I have an emotional connection to Dez. I'll miss the awesome catches he made here. He still is a good receiver and I actually like his fire. But I can also see how it's counter productive for what this team does well.
                  Last edited by Cowboysrock55; 03-11-2018, 11:58 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Iamtdg View Post
                    But, Geng, he has shown the be lazy, slow, and can’t get separation. That’s the problem. Couple that with the drops and yammering for the ball, and you have a detriment to the offense.
                    He's not different than he ever was back when he was putting up elite numbers.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
                      He's not different than he ever was back when he was putting up elite numbers.
                      I disagree.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
                        You're right, for you it's about Dak. Can't be that Dez is part of problem because that somehow absolves Dak in your mind. Dumping Dez as least cures some of the problem though which is the point. Because Dak isn't going anywhere.
                        I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that the most important position in sports has by far the biggest impact on an offense.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post

                          But this emotional outburst narrative that claims that he is lazy, slow, and can't get separation is simply false. He's certainly flawed but he can still make plays and he still draws coverage, and he can still be pretty productive if the QB connects with him.
                          You are giving him way too much credit.

                          He can be taken out of any game by a talkative, physical CB. This "dominance" you claim is still there only manifests itself when he plays the Bradley Fletchers of this league.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
                            I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that the most important position in sports has by far the biggest impact on an offense.
                            He does but if you're hoping we move on from Dak you're living in a dream world. At 24 he will get better. As responsible as he was for the struggle last year he was just as responsible for the stellar 2016 season. So you hope he can get back to that. A season in which Dez only had 97 targets. He was a far smaller piece of our offense then. Which is actually the role I'd love to keep Dez around for. Just not at a cap cost of 16.5 mil.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
                              He's not different than he ever was back when he was putting up elite numbers.
                              He is way different. He is a guy who got by with freak athletic ability whose athleticism has diminished. Which isn't surprising since Dez has taken a beating over his career. By far our most physical WR when running and catching the ball.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
                                People are too emotional to actually bring up relevant information. It's all general terms.

                                Dez is holding the offense back, because it's too scary to blame the QB or coaches.
                                http://www.dallascowboyscentral.com/...tion-Is-Headed

                                Please review these detailed stats showing that, despite Jerry not having a sure thing alternative, it is indeed time to move the hell on from the current shell of a former badass.
                                defense wins championships

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