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  • #16
    Originally posted by Chocolate Lab View Post
    Dak #1, Rodgers #23?

    ~ flush ~
    9. Carson Palmer
    10. Tyrod Taylor

    No Brady, Brees or Rodgers in even the top ten.

    But somehow we're supposed to take this list seriously...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
      I think it just sort of goes to show that QB's like Rodgers avoid throwing into tight coverage. These numbers don't really indicate if a QB is just failing to find the proper guy to throw the ball to or isn't finding the open guy.

      The pass Rodgers threw to the guy on the sideline, rolling to his left, to beat the Cowboys was thrown into the tightest coverage imaginable -- about a foot and a half between the guy's arms and a pubic hair from the sideline.

      Big players make big plays in big games.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by deadrise View Post
        The pass Rodgers threw to the guy on the sideline, rolling to his left, to beat the Cowboys was thrown into the tightest coverage imaginable -- about a foot and a half between the guy's arms and a pubic hair from the sideline.

        Big players make big plays in big games.
        Well you have to keep in mind how far down field that throw was too. This system rates that throw the same as a throw 7 yards down the field in tight coverage. But obviously the difficulty of throw is totally different.

        I don't think anyone can legitimately claim that Daks receivers were getting great separation though.

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        • #19
          Easier to be accurate on tight window throws when you’re completing 7 yards to Witten on 3rd & 10.

          Dak could complete 10 consecutive passes and we’d still be at midfield.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by pdom View Post
            Easier to be accurate on tight window throws when you’re completing 7 yards to Witten on 3rd & 10.

            Dak could complete 10 consecutive passes and we’d still be at midfield.
            I was trying to make this point on another thread but got a get out response. I agree this is a result of primary receivers being covered and Dak going to Witten who is open but not far enough down the field. The catch is made but not effective toward retaining possession.
            Since Day One

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            • #21
              Originally posted by L.T. Fan View Post
              I was trying to make this point on another thread but got a get out response. I agree this is a result of primary receivers being covered and Dak going to Witten who is open but not far enough down the field. The catch is made but not effective toward retaining possession.
              Even as #1 in this category, article stars Daks passer rating in tight window throws is 82.1, which is comparable to unimpressive overall QB ratings of Jay Cutler and Joe Flacco.

              Translation - Even if Dak was awesome in this category, can’t make a living off of tight window throws. The top QBs with shittier tight-window performance balance it with much more superb performance with WRs that are open.

              My biggest problem with this Next-gen stat is it’s lack of analysis of making the correct read. Show me if the QB made a tight-window throw despite there being an open WR elsewhere.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Iamtdg View Post
                This is exactly what we have been saying. His accuracy appeared poor because our receivers couldn't get open for shit. Dak actually did fairly well considering what he had to work with. Dump Dez and get us a true #1 in the draft or FA.

                But, alas, they won't. Dez will still be here next year, and the entire WR corps and our passing game will look the exact same.
                I'm not sure there is a true #1 available in either FA or the draft. Though I also don't think you need a true #1 to have a successful WR core.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by lostxn View Post
                  They explain how they come up with the stats. I think the value of this is it normalizes it against other teams. I think what it does point out is that we likely have more of a scheme problem than anything. If our QB is decently accurate and our receivers are at least average at getting separation at release, our route combinations, or our play-calling, are likely a big part of the problem. Not really surprising.

                  I will say there was a period of time in the season where our offense was running as planned and they were totally rolling offensively. We would have beat the vaunted Rams if not for a braindead fumble by Switzer. It's not all bad.
                  The offense was putting up stats for a time, but it always kinda felt to me like they were laboring.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by mschmidt64 View Post
                    I'm not sure there is a true #1 available in either FA or the draft. Though I also don't think you need a true #1 to have a successful WR core.
                    I agree that you don't have to have a true #1. I should have worded that differently. We need speed. And, I believe that we can get that in this draft. Even in the 3rd.
                    2016 DCC LOTY Fantasy Football Champion

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                    • #25
                      Yeah, I think maybe the take-away here is that the elite QBs/offenses find wide open WRs for big chunks of yardage. Not slants, curls, and crossing routes where the DB is always the step behind the WR.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mschmidt64 View Post
                        Yeah, I think maybe the take-away here is that the elite QBs/offenses find wide open WRs for big chunks of yardage. Not slants, curls, and crossing routes where the DB is always the step behind the WR.
                        Sure, but a big part of that is on the WR and playcalling.
                        2016 DCC LOTY Fantasy Football Champion

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mschmidt64 View Post
                          Yeah, I think maybe the take-away here is that the elite QBs/offenses find wide open WRs for big chunks of yardage. Not slants, curls, and crossing routes where the DB is always the step behind the WR.
                          When your fastest WR runs a 4.5 something forty, separation is going to be at a premium.

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                          • #28
                            This has probably been covered elsewhere but it's hard to imagine there won't be an eruption from Dez if he is no longer designated numero uno.

                            He's disruptive, prideful and emotional -- a volatile combination. It actually might be worth looking forward to, to see how RHG and Jerry and the Idiot Son handle it.

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                            • #29
                              2016 DCC LOTY Fantasy Football Champion

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by deadrise View Post
                                This has probably been covered elsewhere but it's hard to imagine there won't be an eruption from Dez if he is no longer designated numero uno.

                                He's disruptive, prideful and emotional -- a volatile combination. It actually might be worth looking forward to, to see how RHG and Jerry and the Idiot Son handle it.
                                Easy to hate on Dez but heís clearly the best option. You just canít always be leaving him alone on an island. Move him around, pick, and definitely cross more.

                                And yeah, learn to throw more back shoulder. Phillip Rivers destroyed our defense with those throws.

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