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And, the LBers.I can see Irving, Vea, Taco and Lawrence being so dominant we could be reminded of Doomsday. And it would make the young DBs sooooo much better.
And, the LBers.I can see Irving, Vea, Taco and Lawrence being so dominant we could be reminded of Doomsday. And it would make the young DBs sooooo much better.
Yeah I love that D-line. Not enough to trade up for Vea but I certainly think it would be bad ass if he fell to 19.I can see Irving, Vea, Taco and Lawrence being so dominant we could be reminded of Doomsday. And it would make the young DBs sooooo much better.
It was rebuilt around him and he was the driving force behind their late 2000’s resurgence.The Ravens defense was never built around Ngata.
There you go misrepresentation again. Ngata’s bouncing around the league because he’s 34 years old. Hampton played 13 years in Pittsburgh before leaving.Same for Casey Hampton.
It's why neither defense has panicked to replace either guy. It's why Ngata is bouncing around the league. Just like Poe and every other highly drafted NT in recent history.
They feel that pressure because they are more important and harder to find.Teams feel pressure to retain their pass rushers so much they forget what makes the rest of the defense work.
Yet the defenses they join immediately become elite or at least loads better.Shit even Snacks Harrison was allowed to leave the Jets. Happens all the time, because NTs aren't franchise players.
You know Kansas City's rush defense got better once Poe left? I mean not much different (Went from 4.4 ypc against to 4.3) but your concept that it had some massive impact on them seems a bit far fetched.Yet the defenses they join immediately become elite or at least loads better.
I know Harrison is why the reason the Giants went from being a joke in 2015 to stingy bastids in 2016. All it takes is one guy.
Losing Poe dropped KC 16 spots from 9th to 25th in defense.
I love it when people throw around phrases like the "better part of a decade" or the "next 10 years." I recall when Tyron Smith was drafted everyone said we would be "set at left tackle for the next 10 years."Well yeah, that’s why I’m willing to trade up and get him. We have extra picks.
He creates an imbalance you don’t see against most 4-3 fronts— you can build a defense around this guy for the better part of a decade.
Damn well worth a 3rd and maybe more.
I whole-heartedly agree, which is why I said better part of a decade. Ngata was a Raven for 9 seasons and Hampton a Steeler his entire 12 year career. I have no illusions, but also consider this iwill be Tyron’s 8th season, which is damned “close” to a decade.I love it when people throw around phrases like the "better part of a decade" or the "next 10 years." I recall when Tyron Smith was drafted everyone said we would be "set at left tackle for the next 10 years."
Nothing is set for anything close to 10 years in today's NFL. Salary caps, free agency, injuries -- four or five years is more like the most optimistic horizon for any hot shit draft pick.
Tyron will be here a decade. I think Frederick will be too.I whole-heartedly agree, which is why I said better part of a decade. Ngata was a Raven for 9 seasons and Hampton a Steeler his entire 12 year career. I have no illusions, but also consider this iwill be Tyron’s 8th season, which is damned “close” to a decade.
Dallas has been top ten in both points and yards a pitiful three times since 1998, and two of those seasons were based on schemed fronts against an easy schedules. Despite our very solid pass rush in 2017, Dallas was awful on third down last year completely failing the situational defense test.Dallas's defense ranked 8th last year and we had Collins a third round pick start multiple games there (He was a 16 game starter last year). So the point remains, you don't build a defense around a NT. No one is out there using an elite pick on a NT and then building from there. I'm all for Vea. But trading away premium resources to move up to draft him is pure foolishness.
Dallas has been top ten in both points and yards a pitiful three times since 1998, and two of those seasons were based on schemed fronts against an easy schedules. Despite our very solid pass rush in 2017, Dallas was awful on third down last year completely failing the situational defense test.
The hammer pass rushers don’t do a thing without the interior anvils. You can say a stubby-armed lesser DT in the 3rd or 4th will be that player for us, but he’ll never be the penetrator Vea is. That kind of pressure pays major dividends.
I’d rather have one outstanding player at a position we’ve needed in forever than a good one plus a depth guy. We have four extra picks, for God’s sakes.
If a guy is a top ten talent undervalued by a few slots down to 13 or so, you’ve picked up huge daft value by trading only a third and change to get him.
In what round?By the way my list of DT's that I'd love in this draft...
Vea
Senat
Tim Settle
Harrison Phillips
Nathan Shepherd
Derrick Nnadi
BJ Hill
Poona Ford
PJ Hall
Give me one of these guys and I'd be thrilled.
Now that is harder.In what round?
NT penetration is not about sacks but the pressure it applies on the QB and running game. He won’t give ground very often for sure and every foot of penetration is huge as it moves the rest of the defense up.Vea penetrated his way to 3.5 sacks last year. Let's get real about this. Against the pass the guy isn't getting that much penetration. He is hanging out at the line just like most NT's in this draft will.
The hope is that Vea will hold that line better against the run than the other NT's when facing a double team. Which is where Vea could be dominant for us. And that's why I'm all for drafting him. But against the pass, he's meh.
and Martin.Tyron will be here a decade. I think Frederick will be too.