Game Day Chatter Thread | Week 4 | Cowboys @ Saints | 09/29/19

[p1_]

All this teeth-gnashing is pointless. It's the Jones family.

So long as Kellen Moore keeps a Top 12 offense, he's our next head coach. No retreads, no Jesus-in-a-headset, no can't fail prospect...Kellen Moore.

You see Jerry throwing Garrett overboard and giving the reigns to Moore? That would be a serious plot twist. I’m not so sure .

 

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And that Kellen would be cheaper (but not better) than Riley?

Schmitty believes bringing in a can't-fail prospect will have a higher chance of success than the Every-3-years-trial-and-error method...based on what?

1. Can't-Fail prospects fail just as much as anyone else, it seems. Is Lincoln Riley any better than Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Chip Kelly who all flamed out of the NFL?

2. Today's can't-fail coaches - Belichick and Sean Payton - weren't can't fail prospects when they were first hired by the Patriots and Saints. They'd be classified as retread (Browns) and not-can't-fail (from Cowboys).

Even if we hire a now-considered-can't-fail Belichick or Sean Payton in 2020, are the chances really any better of duplicating their success, ie Dolphins Jimmy Johnson, than any other direction?

3. Trial-and-error coaches and retreads may have a short flame, but several have reached at least the Championship Game and truly a missed tackle or fumble from winning the whole damn thing -- Ken Whisenhunt, Mike Smith, Doug Marrone, John Fox, Dan Quinn, Gary Kubiak, Doug Pederson, Mike McCarthy (was a who is he? prospect pre-Packers).

 

[bbgun]

You see Jerry throwing Garrett overboard and giving the reigns to Moore? That would be a serious plot twist. I’m not so sure .

And what happens to Moore if Riley is the heir apparent? Too many cooks ...

 

[data]

Problem with you guys is you're lumping all of Garrett's 8 years into one reign.

Garrett 2011-2013 (inexperienced and raw) isn't Garrett 2014-2018 (walkaround coach with OC). You can't let the 8-8 frustrations bleed into what's been accomplished these past 5 years.

Should Jerruh have hired 2011 Garrett? Probably not. However if, in 2014, is when we hired walkaround-version of Garrett, we wouldn't be calling for Garrett's head as fervently.

So, you wanna fire Garrett because 2011-2013 remains fresh in your mind. But we wouldn't be firing 2011 Garrett version. We'd be firing 2014-2018 Garrett, which has a damn good track record...a fumble away or missed tackle away from the promised land.

 

[Rev]

Nah. I wanted to fire 2014 , 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 Garrett as well.


Just not good enough.

 

[p1_]

And what happens to Moore if Riley is the heir apparent? Too many cooks ...

That’s a little different. If you’re firing Garrett, replacing him with Riley, then perhaps Moore is superfluous. I just don’t see Moore supplanting Garrett like Garrett did Fat Fuck

 

[UncleMilti]

Schmitty believes bringing in a can't-fail prospect will have a higher chance of success than the Every-3-years-trial-and-error method...based on what?

1. Can't-Fail prospects fail just as much as anyone else, it seems. Is Lincoln Riley any better than Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Chip Kelly who all flamed out of the NFL?

2. Today's can't-fail coaches - Belichick and Sean Payton - weren't can't fail prospects when they were first hired by the Patriots and Saints. They'd be classified as retread (Browns) and not-can't-fail (from Cowboys).

Even if we hire a now-considered-can't-fail Belichick or Sean Payton in 2020, are the chances really any better of duplicating their success, ie Dolphins Jimmy Johnson, than any other direction?

3. Trial-and-error coaches and retreads may have a short flame, but several have reached at least the Championship Game and truly a missed tackle or fumble from winning the whole damn thing -- Ken Whisenhunt, Mike Smith, Doug Marrone, John Fox, Dan Quinn, Gary Kubiak, Doug Pederson, Mike McCarthy (was a who is he? prospect pre-Packers).

Its laughable to believe that Garrett is one fumble, one INT, one tackle or one ANYTHING away from a SB or coaching greatness.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

LOL at the idea that we'd better not replace Garrett because the next guy might be worse. What a joke that is.

Garrett is a replacement-level coach. He adds nothing. He's the Case Keenum of coaches. With enough talent propping him up and things going just right, sure, he can have a 13-3 season and win a playoff game or two. But most people realize those types aren't the answer. So what if you make a mistake and the next guy isn't any better? You still haven't lost anything.

The only value Garrett really adds is to Jerry, and fuck Jerry's comfort level.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Its laughable to believe that Garrett is one fumble, one INT, one tackle or one ANYTHING away from a SB or coaching greatness.

You could make the argument he is only that far away from an NFC championship appearance but thats about it.

 

[boozeman]

Nah. I wanted to fire 2014 , 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 Garrett as well.


Just not good enough.

Pretty much.

Garrett has already maxed out. He maxed out years ago. He is incapable of more.

 

[NoDak]

Nah. I wanted to fire 2014 , 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 Garrett as well.


Just not good enough.

Exactly. His retarded 2011 Garrett vs 2019 Garrett is just that. Retarded.

 

[jsmith6919]

Exactly. His retarded 2011 Garrett vs 2019 Garrett is just that. Retarded.

The difference between 2011 and 2019 Garrett is he has had everything taken away from him forcibly by the owner. You know why Garrett fans harp on motivation? Because they have nothing else left they can point to. The thing is these are all pros at this level, motivation means something in peewee, not here

 

[dbair1967]

Garrett is like the hamster in the little wheel. He keeps running, but he never gets anywhere.

 

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The difference between 2011 and 2019 Garrett is he has had everything taken away from him forcibly by the owner. You know why Garrett fans harp on motivation? Because they have nothing else left they can point to. The thing is these are all pros at this level, motivation means something in peewee, not here

2109 Garrett would clap the shit out of Garrett 2011.

“You’ve got spunk, kid, but you need technique”