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  • #46
    Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
    Timing-based WCO? You know, the fucking 1990ís Cowboys offense??
    It's been a couple days now, Ravi. Don't just leave us hanging. I think we'd all like to hear your take on how our 90's offense was a timing based West Coast Offense.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by NoDak View Post
      It's been a couple days now, Ravi. Don't just leave us hanging. I think we'd all like to hear your take on how our 90's offense was a timing based West Coast Offense.
      I guess you didn't know. Thought you were kidding.

      There are two most famous schools of WCO, each Ohio-originated offenses one by Paul Brown and Bill Walsh and another by Sid Gillman who passed it on through osmosis to Don Coryell, Joe Gibbs, and Ernie Zampese in San Diego. The latter taught their version to Norv Turner when he was with the Rams. Back in the day, Gillman worked with Brown at OSU, and each took a different path. Gillman emphasized timing and vertical routes to spread the defense and Brown did the same with QB sprints and short passes.

      There is a third "WCO" coached by Jack Elway and Dennis Erickson at Stanford.

      All were called WCO because each was made famous in the 1980's on the West Coast.

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      • #48
        I'm not buying it.

        Just because 40 years ago people may have referred to it as a WCO, once the name was tagged on Bill Walsh's offense, NOBODY would ever mistake the two offenses. They are completely, and fundamentally different from one another.

        You ask somebody today to name Bill Walsh's offense, and to name Don Coryell's offense, and 99.9999999999999999% of the time you will hear they are the WCO and Air Coryell, respectively.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by NoDak View Post
          I'm not buying it.

          Just because 40 years ago people may have referred to it as a WCO, once the name was tagged on Bill Walsh's offense, NOBODY would ever mistake the two offenses. They are completely, and fundamentally different from one another.

          You ask somebody today to name Bill Walsh's offense, and to name Don Coryell's offense, and 99.9999999999999999% of the time you will hear they are the WCO and Air Coryell, respectively.
          You asked! And those folks don't know crap. Air Coryell was just one version of the timing-based WCO. There is no timing-based version of Bill Walsh's offense.

          Even Bernie Kosar referred to the Cowboys offense as the WCO when he came to Dallas in 1993.

          Why do you think I called it the timing-based WCO? This offense has won seven Superbowls by my count and it has a serious tree, AFL, San Diego State, 70-80's San Diego Chargers, 80's Washington, 80's Rams, 90's Cowboys, 90-00's Rams, our offense since 2007, and probably a bunch of others I've missed.

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          • #50
            We tried (and failed) to be a WCO when Paul Hackett was the offensive coordinator in the late 80's.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by bbgun View Post
              We tried (and failed) to be a WCO when Paul Hackett was the offensive coordinator in the late 80's.
              Different WCO, but yeah our first attempt in 86. Norv got it right five years later with Gillman's Timing WCO.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by bbgun View Post
                We tried (and failed) to be a WCO when Paul Hackett was the offensive coordinator in the late 80's.
                They were rolling with it at 6-2 in Sherrard's rookie season until both he and Danny White got injured.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by boozeman View Post
                  They were rolling with it at 6-2 in Sherrard's rookie season until both he and Danny White got injured.
                  White got hurt that year, but Sherrard didn't get hurt until the following season in training camp. He played in every game his rookie year.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by boozeman View Post
                    They were rolling with it at 6-2 in Sherrard's rookie season until both he and Danny White got injured.
                    The OL was playing well to start the year and the short throws fit White's diminished capabilities. Walker was also a menace who people hadn't figured out how to stop yet.

                    But the second Giants game the intensity ratcheted up and White, Dorsett, and Walker all got hurt and Phil Pozderac had multiple gaffs in the final two minutes at least twice preventing Dallas from landing great field position inside the 15. We lost 17-14, and from there the season unraveled.

                    Steve Pelluer showed flashes but could not sustain drives. We finished 1-7 and the WCO plays were removed, though I forget when.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
                      The OL was playing well to start the year and the short throws fit White's diminished capabilities. Walker was also a menace who people hadn't figured out how to stop yet.

                      But the second Giants game the intensity ratcheted up and White, Dorsett, and Walker all got hurt and Phil Pozderac had multiple gaffs in the final two minutes at least twice preventing Dallas from landing great field position inside the 15. We lost 17-14, and from there the season unraveled.

                      Steve Pelluer showed flashes but could not sustain drives. We finished 1-7 and the WCO plays were removed, though I forget when.
                      Pretty hazy year. But I regard that year as the last gasp of the Landry Cowboys. They tried to reinvent themselves but it was too late.

                      But even though he played on some of the worst teams in club history, Herschel was a horse.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
                        Steve Pelluer showed flashes but could not sustain drives. We finished 1-7 and the WCO plays were removed, though I forget when.
                        Threw five picks vs the Raiders in a close game we could have won.

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                        • #57
                          2016 DCC LOTY Fantasy Football Champion

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                          • #58
                            with the possible exception of the last sentence, there's no way he wrote that

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