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  • #31
    [MENTION=15]pdom[/MENTION].

    Randy Moss was a scoring threat anytime the ball was in his hands. His speed was amazing, his ability to get separation was unequaled and he has some of the softest hands to ever play the game. He had the height advantage on almost every defensive back and he could extend a jump like no other. He was ecceptionaly fluid with excellent balance and he was almost without exception an automatic mismatch for any game. He couldn’t be contained at the LOS and he wasn’t afraid to take a pattern over the middle.

    Downside..... he was moody and at times appeared to be loafing or playing down to his actual abilities. Also was aloof from the team sometimes but all in all he could carry a game. I often wonder if anyone ever saw him at his absolute best because I think he was the poster boy for a football freak.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by L.T. Fan View Post
      @pdom.

      Randy Moss was a scoring threat anytime the ball was in his hands. His speed was amazing, his ability to get separation was unequaled and he has some of the softest hands to ever play the game. He had the height advantage on almost every defensive back and he could extend a jump like no other. He was ecceptionaly fluid with excellent balance and he was almost without exception an automatic mismatch for any game. He couldn’t be contained at the LOS and he wasn’t afraid to take a pattern over the middle.

      Downside..... he was moody and at times appeared to be loafing or playing down to his actual abilities. Also was aloof from the team sometimes but all in all he could carry a game. I often wonder if anyone ever saw him at his absolute best because I think he was the poster boy for a football freak.
      And BTW, Jerry Jones drafted Greg Ellis over him.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by boozeman View Post
        And BTW, Jerry Jones drafted Greg Ellis over him.
        Yes he did but there was a lot of public pressure over Moss being a bad boy and some of the Cowboys had given the organization a bad name so Jones took the safe road.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by L.T. Fan View Post
          Yes he did but there was a lot of public pressure over Moss being a bad boy and some of the Cowboys had given the organization a bad name so Jones took the safe road.
          Public pressure from whom? I don't recall many fans rejoicing the "safe" pick.

          The real pressure came from Chan Gailey and Dwain Painter, the WRs coach, who didn't want to deal with him.

          That is the problem when you have a GM with zero eye for talent who "listens" to his staff.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by boozeman View Post
            Public pressure from whom? I don't recall many fans rejoicing the "safe" pick.

            The real pressure came from Chan Gailey and Dwain Painter, the WRs coach, who didn't want to deal with him.

            That is the problem when you have a GM with zero eye for talent who "listens" to his staff.
            There was a ton of fans in this area who were screaming about Jones needed to clean up the roster and avoid picking up Moss. It was a mixed bag in this area.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
              Not sure where you are going with this but it doesn't refute my point one iota.
              Owens’ offenses succeeded in large part because of him, irrespective of being pass heavy or balanced.

              I don’t think Irvin was a great fit for a WCO that relied on sprint options and WRs with size, speed and RAC ability, but he was perfect for our timing-based WCO.

              TO would have succeeded in either system, as his success in Dallas proved.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ravidubey View Post

                I don’t think Irvin was a great fit for a WCO that relied on sprint options and WRs with size, speed and RAC ability, but he was perfect for our timing-based WCO.
                Huh?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by NoDak View Post
                  Huh?
                  Timing-based WCO? You know, the fucking 1990’s Cowboys offense??

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
                    Timing-based WCO? You know, the fucking 1990’s Cowboys offense??
                    90s cowboys offense was not west coast.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
                      Owens’ offenses succeeded in large part because of him, irrespective of being pass heavy or balanced.

                      I don’t think Irvin was a great fit for a WCO that relied on sprint options and WRs with size, speed and RAC ability, but he was perfect for our timing-based WCO.

                      TO would have succeeded in either system, as his success in Dallas proved.
                      Yeah, this is wrong in every respect. Irvin was as big a WR as there was back then and he was money on the slant. He'd have killed it in a West coast offense.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Genghis Khan View Post
                        Yeah, this is wrong in every respect. Irvin was as big a WR as there was back then and he was money on the slant. He'd have killed it in a West coast offense.
                        Hell, it could be argued that the slant was his most dangerous route.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ravidubey View Post
                          Timing-based WCO? You know, the fucking 1990’s Cowboys offense??


                          No. It was nothing like the WCO. No matter how offended you get.

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                          • #43
                            Don Coryell, father of the WCO

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by pdom View Post
                              Don Coryell, father of the WCO
                              No, no. Bill Walsh is the father of the regular ol' run of the mill WCO. Apparently, Don Coryell is the father of the timing-based WCO.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by NoDak View Post
                                No, no. Bill Walsh is the father of the regular ol' run of the mill WCO. Apparently, Don Coryell is the father of the timing-based WCO.

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