I’m saying the league doesn’t interview or attempt to overturn any matter being handled by the court system. At least I can’t think of any matter where the league began an investigation where the legal system had already made a determination.
Um what? You do see that they did with Zeke and didn't with Hill correct?
No I’m saying that the league investigated the matter on Elliot and went it to a conclusion. The legal system dropped their investigation with no determination but had they continued and prosecuted then I believe the league would have accepted the courts findings and closed their own proceedings. I am of the opinion that the league would not try to prosecute it’s own findings if it differed from the court systems trial outcome.
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So because there wasn't probable cause to charge Zeke with anything the league should be open to prosecute? But if they had charged him and not found the evidence to be beyond a reasonable doubt, the league would have done nothing? I'm not sure you understand how criminal law works.
I’m not analyzing criminal law. Nor am I determining criminal legal practices. I am merely making a single statement that I don’t think the league word pursue an investigation that had already been adjudicated by the legal system in an attempt overturn the the findings. In addition I believe they can initiate their own investigation if a matter was not completed by the judicial system and was dropped from further investigation without a conclusion.
What you're saying makes no sense based on the way the criminal law process works. Adjudication doesn't actually mean someone is found innocent.
That’s all well and good but has nothing to do with what I said. Good grief man can you not read a single statement and stay on track? All I said in this regard is that if a legal investigation is dropped by the court system on a player then the League can conduct their own investigation. Is this true or not? I am of the opinion they can if it falls within the scope of the bylaws.
You're still not understanding, Zeke's investigation was dropped because their wasn't probable cause which is stronger evidense that nothing happened than if they have the evidence to get to trial. Good grief, it's not that complicated. Probable cause is a far lower burden to prove than beyond a reasonable doubt.
But still it was dropped and not completed by the legal system as to guilt or innocence so my point was that to my knowledge the league then had a right to do their own investigation since the there was no actual final determination of guilt or innocence from the other investigation. Whether the league should have done so is an individual preference I suppose but I think they had a right to do so. That’s all I am saying.
Why don’t you clear it all up since you seem to have a handle on everything?
What is it that you don’t understand?
Maybe Schmitty will help...
Simple yes or no, did the league have the right to investigate Elliot?
Maybe Schmitty will help...
They have the right to investigate anyone. Even if there is no evidence. The comissioner basically has the authority to do whatever he wants even if his investigator (which was the case with Zeke) finds no evidence of wrong doing. Has nothing to do with the criminal justice system even if they investigate and a person is tried and found not guilty.
So, the Mueller report didn’t establish innocent or guilt, so is Trump innocent or guilty?
This is correct and is what is the problem. They have carte blanche when it comes to discipline. Zeke was innocent in the eyes of the law, yet given a six game suspension with very little evidence to support him being guilty. Hill had some fairly damning evidence against him and he gets nothing. Somehow, LT thinks one case is independent of each other, I guess. I can’t otherwise explain why he is saying stupid stuff like “Well, he wasn’t proven innocent so he should be seen as guilty in the eyes of the NFL.”
It wasn’t me that said it had anything to do with the Criminal justice system. Others were making that contention in that they closed the case therefore he was innocent.
