PDA

View Full Version : Connor McGregor vs Floyd Mayweather set for Aug 26



1bigfan13
06-14-2017, 06:24 PM
Dana White was just on SportsCenter and said the two sides have officially agreed to a boxing match in Vegas on August 26.

I'm sure there will be a ton of people who will happily pay the $80 ppv or whatever the price may be. I have zero interest in watching this fight.

Mayweather fights are boring as shit and not worth the time, IMO.

E_D_Guapo
06-14-2017, 07:28 PM
How about the fact that Mayweather is one of the greatest professional boxers of all time while Conor McGregor is not now, nor has he ever been, a professional boxer? The best boxers in Mayweathers' class have failed to beat him and now this amateur boxer is going to get a shot? I know McGregor is a tough guy and considerably younger but come on. It is nothing but a big sideshow money grab, which is fine if people are willing to pay for it, but it should be viewed for exactly what it is.

Iamtdg
06-14-2017, 07:41 PM
Is this being set up as a boxing event or MMA? If it is a boxing event Connor is going to get embarrassed.

Cowboysrock55
06-14-2017, 07:43 PM
Is this being set up as a boxing event or MMA? If it is a boxing event Connor is going to get embarrassed.

Yeah I guess I just assumed it was going to be an MMA, it is really the only way to make it a fair fight. A boxing match is going to be pathetic.

E_D_Guapo
06-14-2017, 07:45 PM
Is this being set up as a boxing event or MMA? If it is a boxing event Connor is going to get embarrassed.

Boxing. If it was MMA there is no way Mayweather would have agreed to it.

Iamtdg
06-14-2017, 07:45 PM
Yeah I guess I just assumed it was going to be an MMA, it is really the only way to make it a fair fight. A boxing match is going to be pathetic.

If they set it up as MMA, Mayweather will get destroyed. It's just a stupid idea and a money grab.

Iamtdg
06-14-2017, 07:46 PM
Boxing. If it was MMA there is no way Mayweather would have agreed to it.

That fight shouldn't last long.

Iamtdg
06-15-2017, 12:55 PM
There is a surprisingly large contingent on Twitter that thinks McGregor will beat Mayweather. That's some funny shit.

E_D_Guapo
06-15-2017, 01:22 PM
There is a surprisingly large contingent on Twitter that thinks McGregor will beat Mayweather. That's some funny shit.

Probably a bunch of MMA bros who know nothing about boxing. I am in no way a boxing authority but common sense is all that is needed in this situation. I read a couple articles about it last night and people who know boxing dismiss this as nothing but a ridiculously high paying exhibition.

An Irish boxer named Andy Lee who has been a WBO middleweight champ gave McGregor lots of props for representing Ireland well, becoming a highly paid fighter, etc., but suggested it would be interesting to see if he could win an Irish title. I think that is probably about the equivalent of saying, "It would be interesting to see if Tim Tebow could succeed against pitching at the A ball level", ie, not against MLB pitching, let alone Clayton Kershaw, Max Scherzer, etc. They asked him if the prospect of McGregor facing Mayweather in the ring was laughable and he said "In terms of a contest, yes".

This is just one example. Boxing writers and enthusiasts all see it as a joke. I'm all for them putting this fight together I guess, because people want to see it and will pay for it, but it seems awfully ridiculous for people to claim McGregor is going to win.

Iamtdg
06-15-2017, 01:27 PM
Probably a bunch of MMA bros who know nothing about boxing. I am in no way a boxing authority but common sense is all that is needed in this situation. I read a couple articles about it last night and people who know boxing dismiss this as nothing but a ridiculously high paying exhibition.

An Irish boxer named Andy Lee who has been a WBO middleweight champ gave McGregor lots of props for representing Ireland well, becoming a highly paid fighter, etc., but suggested it would be interesting to see if he could win an Irish title. I think that is probably about the equivalent of saying, "It would be interesting to see if Tim Tebow could succeed against pitching at the A ball level", ie, not against MLB pitching, let alone Clayton Kershaw, Max Scherzer, etc. They asked him if the prospect of McGregor facing Mayweather in the ring was laughable and he said "In terms of a contest, yes".

This is just one example. Boxing writers and enthusiasts all see it as a joke. I'm all for them putting this fight together I guess, because people want to see it and will pay for it, but it seems awfully ridiculous for people to claim McGregor is going to win.

Unless there is some shady shit going on, I can't imagine McGregor makes it to round 2.

Cowboysrock55
06-15-2017, 01:38 PM
Unless there is some shady shit going on, I can't imagine McGregor makes it to round 2.

Yeah the only reason it may go longer is because Mayweather isn't a slugger. So its not normal for him to come out and just knock a guy out right away. He is a very patient boxer who just racks up hits. So McGregor may last some rounds in a lopsided loss.

Rev
06-15-2017, 01:45 PM
Wonder how hard it's going to be for Conner to not try and kick him. Would think that would easy to do in the moment without realizing it.

E_D_Guapo
06-15-2017, 01:45 PM
Yeah the only reason it may go longer is because Mayweather isn't a slugger. So its not normal for him to come out and just knock a guy out right away. He is a very patient boxer who just racks up hits. So McGregor may last some rounds in a lopsided loss.

I'll quit harping on this point I promise but it is not normal for Mayweather to come out and just knock out top pro boxers in his weight class. I'm sure he'll be his usual patient self because the last thing he wants to do is by chance run into a McGregor left hand and shockingly lose, but I have a feeling in this fight he will have much earlier opportunities than usual to put his opponent away.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 02:05 PM
Unless there is some shady shit going on, I can't imagine McGregor makes it to round 2.

Huh?

There is ZERO chance that Mayweather knocks him out or even beats him up, for that matter.

This will be a lopsided fight, but only in terms of class and skill. I expect Floyd to win all 12 rounds, but what he will not do is beat McGregor up or knock him out.

He'll run circles around him with a straight right here and there just like he does with everyone else.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 02:10 PM
As for the fight itself, I'm intrigued by the spectacle of it all, but I expect it to be a boring and lopsided affair and it wouldn't surprise me if Mayweather won all 12 rounds.

McGregor has next to no chance to win this fight.

E_D_Guapo
06-15-2017, 02:11 PM
There is ZERO chance that Mayweather knocks him out or even beats him up, for that matter.

:lol

Zero chance, huh?

Cowboysrock55
06-15-2017, 02:16 PM
I'll quit harping on this point I promise but it is not normal for Mayweather to come out and just knock out top pro boxers in his weight class. I'm sure he'll be his usual patient self because the last thing he wants to do is by chance run into a McGregor left hand and shockingly lose, but I have a feeling in this fight he will have much earlier opportunities than usual to put his opponent away.

Mayweather beats the best of the best boxers with his strategy. I think it would be extremely foolish for him to deviate from what he does best. And frankly what he does best is dance around and lands a lot of punches that don't do a lot of damage. I think he will do exactly that against McGregor. Which will probably make for an extremely boring and long fight.

And if I'm McGregor I'd go in there knowing you have to knock him out. You're not going to win standing up and boxing round for round. So you have to go in with the mentality that you're going to take some hits but you need to swing as hard as you can and hope to land a big punch that does a lot of damage.

E_D_Guapo
06-15-2017, 02:24 PM
Mayweather beats the best of the best boxers with his strategy. I think it would be extremely foolish for him to deviate from what he does best. And frankly what he does best is dance around and lands a lot of punches that don't do a lot of damage. I think he will do exactly that against McGregor. Which will probably make for an extremely boring and long fight.

And if I'm McGregor I'd go in there knowing you have to knock him out. You're not going to win standing up and boxing round for round. So you have to go in with the mentality that you're going to take some hits but you need to swing as hard as you can and hope to land a big punch that does a lot of damage.

I hear you. I am simply stating that he probably will not have to deviate from his strategy to knock McGregor out. The opportunity may very well present itself in the natural course of the fight because McGregor is not remotely in the same class of boxer as the guys Mayweather has fought before.

I mean, it could play out exactly like you and Ace are suggesting...a lopsided decision where Mayweather wins every round. But you guys are basing that on Mayweather's history against pro boxers. Is McGregor even a better boxer than the guys Mayweather uses as sparring partners? He might be, he might not be.

My outlook is that you can't predict the outcome based on Mayweather's history of fights against a number of legit opponents because I do not believe McGregor falls into that category. Apples to oranges in a way. Throw out the "well he doesn't knock most guys out because of his style" because McGregor in his lack of boxing experience/efforts to knock Mayweather out may very well leave himself open to getting hit with a flurry of punches that puts him on the mat.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 02:26 PM
:lol

Zero chance, huh?

It's just not his style, especially in the latter part of his career.

Even when he has someone completely outclassed, he just doesn't go in for the kill or throw a lot of punches. No matter who he fights, he sticks to his gameplan of throw one singular straight right hand when he sees an opening or as a counter punch, then continue to move around the ring.

Go back and look at his last 8 fights or so and look at the post-fight pics of his opponent. See if you can find one that would indicate that they had a rough night.

Mayweather wins by giving the opponent nothing to hit and by beating them to the punch with excellent speed and accuracy. This then leads to his opponent getting immensely frustrated and the amount of punches they throw drastically decreases as the fight goes on.

But beat people up? Nah. Even Andre Berto who is a total bum now took him 12 rounds.

Floyd will win all 12 rounds, but he's not going to knock McGregor out.

E_D_Guapo
06-15-2017, 02:29 PM
It's just not his style, especially in the latter part of his career.

Even when he has someone completely outclassed, he just doesn't go in for the kill or throw a lot of punches. No matter who he fights, he sticks to his gameplan of throw one singular straight right hand when he sees an opening or as a counter punch, then continue to move around the ring.

Go back and look at his last 8 fights or so and look at the post-fight pics of his opponent. See if you can find one that would indicate that they had a rough night.

Mayweather wins by giving the opponent nothing to hit and by beating them to the punch with excellent speed and accuracy. This then leads to his opponent getting immensely frustrated and the amount of punches they throw drastically decreases as the fight goes on.

But beat people up? Nah. Even Andre Berto who is a total bum now took him 12 rounds.

Floyd will win all 12 rounds, but he's not going to knock McGregor out.

See my above reply to CRock. That is how I see it. You may end up being right about the result but IMO it is a flawed mindset to compare this fight to any other professional fight he has ever had.

Cowboysrock55
06-15-2017, 02:33 PM
I mean, it could play out exactly like you and Ace are suggesting...a lopsided decision where Mayweather wins every round. But you guys are basing that on Mayweather's history against pro boxers. Is McGregor even a better boxer than the guys Mayweather uses as sparring partners? He might be, he might not be.


And I'm not saying he won't knock McGregor out either. I just don't think it's going to be quick. The other thing people don't think about is endurance. Mayweather going 12 rounds is no big deal. He has the stamina built up to still be going strong in those later rounds. McGregor isn't use to going that long as an MMA fighter. I think if the fight goes very long McGregor is going to be dead on his feet and may get knocked out from an exhausted stand point. McGregor isn't going to have any feet left after the first 5 rounds or so.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 02:36 PM
See my above reply to CRock. That is how I see it. You may end up being right about the result but IMO it is a flawed mindset to compare this fight to any other professional fight he has ever had.

McGregor is basically an amateur as a boxer, but he's not an amateur as a fighter.

In order for him to even stand a chance of getting knocked out by a guy who doesn't throw many power punches and hasn't knocked someone out in years, he would have to be completely careless and start flailing around in the ring.

While I don't think he'll pose much of a threat to Floyd, I also don't expect him to look like a chicken with his head cut off either. He'll be aggressive, but he'll be smart too.

Remember, he's been hit by guys with more power wearing much smaller gloves than Floyd too. These gloves are gonna be like pillows to McGregor, so it's going to take a wide open, bone crunching punch in the right spot to knock him out, and I just don't think that's gonna happen given who Floyd is.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 02:39 PM
And I'm not saying he won't knock McGregor out either. I just don't think it's going to be quick. The other thing people don't think about is endurance. Mayweather going 12 rounds is no big deal. He has the stamina built up to still be going strong in those later rounds. McGregor isn't use to going that long as an MMA fighter. I think if the fight goes very long McGregor is going to be dead on his feet and may get knocked out from an exhausted stand point. McGregor isn't going to have any feet left after the first 5 rounds or so.

Stamina-wise, I think he'll be ok for about 8 rounds.

Remember, he exerts a lot more energy in MMA than in boxing. The rounds in MMA last 5 minutes each and he's had to go the distance in some of his toughest and most physical fights....most recently, the Diaz rematch.

That went 20 min long which equates to about 6 or 7 rounds in boxing. But in MMA there is a lot of wrestling and having another man use all of his weight against you, etc. That won't be the case in boxing.

So while I do expect him to start feeling it late, I don't think stamina will be a big deal for most of the fight. My guess is he'll be ok for about 8 or 9 rounds.

Cowboysrock55
06-15-2017, 02:41 PM
This would all be way more interesting in my opinion if they were both fighting MMA. It's a pretty common debate to have about how a boxer would hold up in an MMA match since boxing is a part of MMA. An excellent boxer has a better chance to transition to MMA because they at least have a mastery of one aspect of MMA. Going the other direction isn't true. A MMA fighter doesn't necessarily have a mastery of boxing. So when you put them in a boxing ring you're telling a MMA fighter that they can't do some of the things that they are a master of and can only use a part of their skillset.

E_D_Guapo
06-15-2017, 02:57 PM
McGregor is basically an amateur as a boxer, but he's not an amateur as a fighter.

In order for him to even stand a chance of getting knocked out by a guy who doesn't throw many power punches and hasn't knocked someone out in years, he would have to be completely careless and start flailing around in the ring.

While I don't think he'll pose much of a threat to Floyd, I also don't expect him to look like a chicken with his head cut off either. He'll be aggressive, but he'll be smart too.

Remember, he's been hit by guys with more power wearing much smaller gloves than Floyd too. These gloves are gonna be like pillows to McGregor, so it's going to take a wide open, bone crunching punch in the right spot to knock him out, and I just don't think that's gonna happen given who Floyd is.

I guess, but it doesn't have to be one wide open, bone crunching punch. If he hits him with a combination and rattles him he might just decide he can finish him off, especially the deeper into the fight it gets.

The stamina point is a very valid one. I don't anticipate an early knockout by any means but somewhere in the middle of that fight it is going to play a role for McGregor. That is where he will be most in danger of getting knocked out, IMO.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 03:05 PM
I guess, but it doesn't have to be one wide open, bone crunching punch. If he hits him with a combination and rattles him he might just decide he can finish him off, especially the deeper into the fight it gets.


Again, this isn't Floyd's style.

Floyd has one of the lowest punch outputs ever for a unified champion, and that low punch count becomes even lower when it comes to power punches.

Combinations are not his thing. He's a one punch guy 80% of the time, and if you do get any sort of combination, it's a left jab followed by a straight right hand. As for hooks? Almost non-existent.

As I've said many times already, the guy is mostly a singular straight right hand and move type of fighter or a straight right hand, pause, followed by another straight right hand.

I know the opponent may not be no match for him, but you're asking a guy to do uncharacteristic things that he never does. Could it happen? I guess....if he thought McGregor posed no threat, but the guy just doesn't deviate from what he believes in even when faced with a much lesser opponent.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 03:12 PM
Combinations are not his thing. He's a one punch guy 80% of the time, and if you do get any sort of combination, it's a left jab followed by a straight right hand. As for hooks? Almost non-existent.

As I've said many times already, the guy is mostly a singular straight right hand and move type of fighter or a straight right hand, pause, followed by another straight right hand.

E_D_Guapo

Look at this vid (but keep the volume down due to the annoying music accompanying it) and you'll see that this speaks perfectly to the points I made above.

I want you to tell me how many times you see him throw anything other than exactly what I described above.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNLNsSVFtLA

Iamtdg
06-15-2017, 03:19 PM
I hear you. I am simply stating that he probably will not have to deviate from his strategy to knock McGregor out. The opportunity may very well present itself in the natural course of the fight because McGregor is not remotely in the same class of boxer as the guys Mayweather has fought before.

I mean, it could play out exactly like you and Ace are suggesting...a lopsided decision where Mayweather wins every round. But you guys are basing that on Mayweather's history against pro boxers. Is McGregor even a better boxer than the guys Mayweather uses as sparring partners? He might be, he might not be.

My outlook is that you can't predict the outcome based on Mayweather's history of fights against a number of legit opponents because I do not believe McGregor falls into that category. Apples to oranges in a way. Throw out the "well he doesn't knock most guys out because of his style" because McGregor in his lack of boxing experience/efforts to knock Mayweather out may very well leave himself open to getting hit with a flurry of punches that puts him on the mat.

Agreed. He won't have to dance around. He most likely will have glaring holes in McGregor's defense to exploit, and I think he will see them early and exploit, he will.

E_D_Guapo
06-15-2017, 04:19 PM
Again, this isn't Floyd's style.

Floyd has one of the lowest punch outputs ever for a unified champion, and that low punch count becomes even lower when it comes to power punches.

Combinations are not his thing. He's a one punch guy 80% of the time, and if you do get any sort of combination, it's a left jab followed by a straight right hand. As for hooks? Almost non-existent.

As I've said many times already, the guy is mostly a singular straight right hand and move type of fighter or a straight right hand, pause, followed by another straight right hand.

I know the opponent may not be no match for him, but you're asking a guy to do uncharacteristic things that he never does. Could it happen? I guess....if he thought McGregor posed no threat, but the guy just doesn't deviate from what he believes in even when faced with a much lesser opponent.

That's all well and good but let's not act like he has never knocked anyone out. A little over half his wins are by KO/TKO. I understand most of those were earlier in his career, but it is not as though he is incapable of doing that now. Maybe he'll do the same thing he has done in most of his fights of the last decade and just win by UD, but I think given the considerable gap in skill level a KO/TKO is very much in play.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 04:21 PM
What the hell happened to all the posts between Iamtdg and I?

Did you delete them?

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 04:23 PM
That's all well and good but let's not act like he has never knocked anyone out. A little over half his wins are by KO/TKO. I understand most of those were earlier in his career, but it is not as though he is incapable of doing that now. Maybe he'll do the same thing he has done in most of his fights of the last decade and just win by UD, but I think given the considerable gap in skill level a KO/TKO is very much in play.

I don't think he's incapable of it, it's just that recent history shows that it's not what he does.

I do take into account that McGregor will have holes to exploit, but I fully expect him to be the aggressor which will lead to Floyd fighting the way he has for most of the last 10 years.

Straight right hands, counter right hands, and movement all around the ring. If he does knock him out, it will be via a counter right to the chin rather than a flurry of punches on the offensive.

E_D_Guapo
06-15-2017, 04:24 PM
What the hell happened to all the posts between Iamtdg and I?

Did you delete them?

Didn't Iamtdg say that some posts may be lost in the migration to the new hosting service? Could be that I guess?

Edit: I think that is what is going on. Just saw that Booze's reply to my The Leftovers question in the TV Thread is gone. Must be losing a lot of posts.

Texas Ace
06-15-2017, 04:28 PM
I guess we'll see, Ed.

One thing we can agree on, this will be a one-sided fight that Mayweather wins without much trouble at all.

boozeman
06-15-2017, 05:14 PM
As an aside, sbk is a massive MacGregor fan boy.

Iamtdg
06-15-2017, 05:44 PM
What the hell happened to all the posts between Iamtdg and I?

Did you delete them?

We may have lost them between when GoDaddy finished the migration and when I redirected the domain. I didn't delete them.

Iamtdg
06-15-2017, 05:45 PM
Didn't Iamtdg say that some posts may be lost in the migration to the new hosting service? Could be that I guess?

Edit: I think that is what is going on. Just saw that Booze's reply to my The Leftovers question in the TV Thread is gone. Must be losing a lot of posts.

We would have only lost maybe 20-30 mins worth of posts. As soon as I got the email from GoDaddy, I changed the DNS servers.